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Post by SpringForest on Oct 30, 2017 16:46:57 GMT -6
Crow, why would you ever suggest Rust Monsters? Because it's not a real party until armour starts melting off. I don't mind Vike's armor melting off. It's not special or anything. |
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Post by Neo on Oct 30, 2017 16:53:31 GMT -6
But Rin's armor was given to her by her hubby and her kimomo is very unique.  |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Oct 30, 2017 17:02:49 GMT -6
Rust Monsters only eat Metal. So they're a "f*** you" to Martials, since casters usually won't bother with metal armor (they get Mage Armor and flight and stuff) and melee weapons.
Though if you want to really screw over melee attackers and casters, use Caryatid Columns. Fairly durable CR3 monsters with nasty special abilities, including magic immunity and breaking weapons which hit it.
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Post by SpringForest on Oct 30, 2017 17:51:32 GMT -6
I don't think the goal is to suffer...
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Post by HHDeception on Oct 30, 2017 18:10:44 GMT -6
Rust Monsters only eat Metal. So they're a "f*** you" to Martials, since casters usually won't bother with metal armor (they get Mage Armor and flight and stuff) and melee weapons. Though if you want to really screw over melee attackers and casters, use Caryatid Columns. Fairly durable CR3 monsters with nasty special abilities, including magic immunity and breaking weapons which hit it. And then Cea takes a level in Monk. RAGING HULK MERMAID GONNA PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE. Actually...that sounds like fun anyways... |
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Post by Neo on Oct 31, 2017 6:23:28 GMT -6
Hey Birb, do Oracles get any class feats at all? I haven't been able to find any. Do they just get feats at every other level?
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Oct 31, 2017 6:31:08 GMT -6
Oracles don't get bonus feats unless their mystery or curse gives them, but there are feats that only Oracles can take like Extra Revelation.
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Post by Neo on Oct 31, 2017 6:51:53 GMT -6
Oracles can also get bonus feats from racial traits, which I've already used to my advantage. I guess that answers my question regardless, but I thought that class feats and bonus feats were different.
Hmm. So I can't take Weapon Finese until level 3 then. And I don't think there are any simple weapons that can use Weapon Finese, which means I do need the Martial Prof... I could maybe switch out Nine-Tailed Inheritor for the trait that gives Weapon Finese as a bonus feat, but that would mean I would have to choose between a Martial Weapon Prof and Magical Tail, and wouldn't solve the problem anyway... Bleh. Why can't every system just be like 13th Age?
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 31, 2017 7:10:44 GMT -6
Because 13th Age is the simplified system and some people actually like complexity and difficult choices?
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 31, 2017 7:58:49 GMT -6
And class and bonus feats are different. Bonus feats are, well, bonus feats. Extra. They can be whatever, it just means you have more feats than expected.
Class feats are feats specialized for the class. I'm not sure if there's a formal rule saying, say, only Oracles can take Oracle class feats, but I don't think non-Oracles would benefit. But you could take a class feat any time you can take a feat.
So a bonus feat can be a class feat.
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Post by Neo on Oct 31, 2017 8:15:08 GMT -6
I actually do enjoy complexity, providing it's done well. "Simplicity" is not why I prefer 13th Age. I prefer 13th Age because I don't have to choose between RP and being at least somewhat decent in combat. In Pathfinder, I do. Which is my current dillema. I could shift Rin's base stats around a bit, to give her some strength, and then go the Oracle/Barb route, likely multiclassing after 3 or 4 levels in Oracle. That solves all of my current problems, and gives her more utility and options in combat. But her current stat build is perfect for RP, and unlike 13th Age, stats actually do equate to RP in Pathfinder in most cases, as far as I'm aware. For example, Rin with a 15 in Intelligence and Wisdom is more intelligent and wise in-story, than if she had a 13 in Int and 11 in Wis.
And Lurk- I'm not asking for a min-max explanation/lecture on Oracle/Barbarian or anything of the sort. I don't care for min-maxing- But I do want my character to be competent.
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Post by SpringForest on Oct 31, 2017 8:25:20 GMT -6
Why do you need strength if you're an oracle...? Can't you just throw lots of birds at things like you did when we fought that dragon? It's also probably worth mentioning that Rin will probably be more useful than everyone else outside of combat because of your stat setup.
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 31, 2017 8:34:53 GMT -6
Jeff'll be pretty useful out of combat when not-social situations are involved. I gave him stuff like healing and survival. I also gave him some human-only feats. One gives him an extra skill point per level, the other lets him use any trained-only skill as if he were trained even if he's not.
Because humans are literally too stupid to know when they don't know how to do something, it wraps back around to knowing how to do it, apparently.
Note to self: replace his sling with a sling glove. It has a minimum range unlike the sling, but it takes less time to load. Which I did wrong in the practice session.
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Post by Neo on Oct 31, 2017 8:39:20 GMT -6
Why do you need strength if you're an oracle...? Can't you just throw lots of birds at things like you did when we fought that dragon? It's also probably worth mentioning that Rin will probably be more useful than everyone else outside of combat because of your stat setup. Oracles have a very limited selection of spells, and Rin currently only has one offensive spell and one summon spell. She can also only use them a total of 4 times per day. I used Summon 1 twice in the Dragon fight, and Barbed Chain once. That means I could only use either of those spells OR my cure spell one more time in that same day. Like all Oracles, Rin needs a back-up method of combat, so that I as a player actually have something to do during combat. Hence melee combat, or ranged combat. For melee combat, she has a 0 strength mod, which means she has practically zero accuracy. |
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Post by Neo on Oct 31, 2017 8:42:10 GMT -6
Do Bows/Crossbows use Dex in combat in Pathfinder? I haven't been able to find that out. If so, I could sell the Rapier, free up a feat, maybe sell some other stuff, and see if I can afford a bow and some arrows...
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 31, 2017 8:48:10 GMT -6
"Attack Bonus
Your attack bonus with a melee weapon is:
Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + size modifier
Your attack bonus with a ranged weapon is:
Base attack bonus + Dexterity modifier + size modifier + range penalty"
I mentioned Jeff uses a sling because it's a unique type of ranged weapon that goes by STR instead of DEX...
Though I think you still add your STR to damage instead of DEX.
You chose to forgo STR to make other attributes higher. That's a meaningful choice. You coulda lowered your CHA and been a worse caster but better fighter. As a Kitsune oracle, you can choose to gain mastery in weapons by using your favored class bonus instead of using a feat but giving up extra HP and skill points. That's meaningful choice. Part of Pathfinder is that no 1 character's really going to be the best at everything. Especially at level 1.
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Post by Neo on Oct 31, 2017 8:55:34 GMT -6
How did I miss that...? Just found that on the SRD too... Sorry, I've been really scatterbrained recently.
I have enough money for a Light Crossbow and 30 bolts if I sell the Rapier, and that also frees up a feat slot... I think I know what I'm doing now. But first, one last question. I really like the idea of going Oracle 4/Barb 2 and then taking Rage Prophet as a Prestige Class(I believe I read that Oracle 4/Barb 2 gives you the prereqs). But that still leaves me the problem of low strength and con. Just how much do stats reflect RP in Pathfinder? How different would a 13 in Intelligence and a 11 in Wis be from a 15 in both?
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Post by Neo on Oct 31, 2017 8:57:41 GMT -6
I'm not trying to be the "best at everything". That is a misunderstood biased assumption. What I do want, is for Rin to not be entirely useless if we have more than one combat a day. That is all I am looking for.
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Post by HHDeception on Oct 31, 2017 9:40:58 GMT -6
Someone let me know if I'm doing RPG wrong, kay?
I have no clue how to RP 8 Int/13 Wis anyways.
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Oct 31, 2017 9:48:45 GMT -6
Neo, spellcasters in Pathfinder operate on a different power curve than Martials. Simply put, first few levels, they struggle, because they are severely limited by spells per day. However, cantrips/orisons are infinite use and they can still use ranged weapons, and spells at low levels are still strong (Color Spray/Sleep can end combat in a single turn). Once they get to third-level spells, they dominate without any backup method, since they are much less limited by spells per day and get spells with serious power. At fifth-level spells, they basically outclass others in every way except pure single-target damage (that goes to the Barbarian/Fighter). At seventh-level spells, spellcasters can become basically invincible. At ninth-level spells, spellcasters become God. As for ranged damage, only Thrown and Composite Bows add STR to damage. Everything else doesn't have a modifier unless otherwise stated. Though watch out with Crossbows, since Crossbows and guns have a reload time. Though for a Light Crossbow, it's only a move action, but can be reduced to a Free Action with the Rapid Reload feat: www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/rapid-reload-combat/Though Neo, you can use any Light weapon with Weapon Finesse, so daggers, brass knuckles, sickles, etc. all work. Stats don't really reflect RP unless by GM fiat (RP-only rules aren't really a thing) except for prerequisites, skill bonuses, etc. A character with low Wisdom can be played as a Wise character, but won't count as having high Wisdom when it counts for rolls (skill checks, saving throws, etc.). However, skill ranks matter more than stats do for skill rolls, at least past 1st level or so. As for class feats, they aren't really a thing (Feats rarely say "You must be this class to qualify"), but many feats affect specific class features, like the Extra Revelation feat. That way, if you get an Oracle Mystery some other way outside of the Oracle class (say, via an archetype for a different class), then you can still get the feat for that Extra Revelation. Even features that don't share the same name can count as other features if it says it "acts as/like this other feature," for instance, the Sunsinger Skald's Channel Solar Energy qualifies for Extra Channeling even though it's not named Channel Energy. |
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