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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 12:48:23 GMT -6
So... Which MC will be their brother/Sister figure besides Terra?
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Post by AlmosDug on Sept 24, 2014 12:54:44 GMT -6
Who cares, they're clearly going to be our kind-hearted protagonists. One of them might pull a Riku, but it's unlikely.
They will see us through to the end, through sheer Woobie power.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 12:56:01 GMT -6
Who cares, they're clearly going to be our kind-hearted protagonists. One of them might pull a Riku, but it's unlikely. They will see us through to the end, through sheer Woobie power. Good for them, because I need a jerk ass character I add to my list of character types. Mark must be Saix tier jerk ass. |
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Post by The Big Cheese on Sept 24, 2014 13:00:48 GMT -6
Nah, the baby is clearly the MC. Maybe it's a Keyblade user baby.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 13:02:28 GMT -6
Nah, the baby is clearly the MC. Maybe it's a Keyblade user baby. ...... You... Respect +9000 |
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Post by GX1997 on Sept 24, 2014 20:12:51 GMT -6
HHD, I learned the Disidia canon too. I'm obsessed with it. Actually, it was my second FF game. FF1 was my first. Which explains a lot about why WoL is my main and fav. Gotta love that Alt 2 costume as well for the classic red. Anyway, I would say Princess Sarah instead Cosmos for the princess. I will reserve Cosmos, Chaos, Cid of the Lufaine, and all the dozen or so important FF1 characters for use in my plot and version of the FF1 canon. I believe that if Cosmos was a Princess of Heart, it would cause me a lot of headaches down the road while dealing with canon and such. Also, you did catch the first hint of the Dissidia canon in Eirian's bio, didn't you? Like, real canon, not the name of the world. There's more Dissidia canon to come, but I'm busy continuing to dissect it (as I've been doing for years), and I have to decide on what pieces are best to keep, and what's best to scrap. Which is part of the reason why using Cosmos as a princess could be very, very bad for my plans. |
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Post by The Big Cheese on Sept 24, 2014 20:39:14 GMT -6
I'll be honest, I knew the Dissidia plot and got all of the Cosmos files, but it's a blur. I was more wowed with Crisis Core around the same time, although Dissidia was great.
Can anyone tell me if Duodecim introduced anything important to the plot?
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Post by empireoffire on Sept 24, 2014 20:44:38 GMT -6
I should probably read this stuff up in the FF Wiki because I feel like I'm going to be completely and utterly lost if I don't.
Also, I updated Ozzie's Sheet a bit.
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 24, 2014 20:52:34 GMT -6
It sounded familiar but I didn't remember the exact details. Exactly how Dissidia links to FF1 is still kinda hazy to me, especially when it coems to Garland. When in FF1's time is Garland sent to World B? The report makes it sound like he's aware of the time loop, which only makes sense if he was Chaos not Garland...
On a totally unrelated note, the phrase "13 Cids of darkness" entered my head, and then was quickly scrapped as silly.
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Post by AlmosDug on Sept 24, 2014 20:57:08 GMT -6
On a totally unrelated note, the phrase "13 Cids of darkness" entered my head, and then was quickly scrapped as silly. That is brilliant, and should not be scrapped. All the Cids, and all the Sarahs can be gathered, and then... Somehow s*** goes down. Dunno how, but it does. |
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Post by empireoffire on Sept 24, 2014 20:58:18 GMT -6
It sounded familiar but I didn't remember the exact details. Exactly how Dissidia links to FF1 is still kinda hazy to me, especially when it coems to Garland. When in FF1's time is Garland sent to World B? The report makes it sound like he's aware of the time loop, which only makes sense if he was Chaos not Garland... On a totally unrelated note, the phrase "13 Cids of darkness" entered my head, and then was quickly scrapped as silly. We can have Cid be this RP's version of Anna when needed. |
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 24, 2014 21:00:42 GMT -6
Can anyone tell me if Duodecim introduced anything important to the plot? According to the wiki, the first Dissidia only got the first 7 reports. The ones after talk about how the manikins were made by Cid (out of some organic crystal that copies people), that the WoL is actually a "perfect manikin" Cid made while in World B in his own likeness that took on his personality (which makes WoL x Cosmos absolutely canon), how the cycles were to make Chaos strong enough to rip a hole in reality and get them all back world A, and a few other things I'm too lazy to sumamrize off the wiki. |
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Post by GX1997 on Sept 24, 2014 21:00:59 GMT -6
It sounded familiar but I didn't remember the exact details. Exactly how Dissidia links to FF1 is still kinda hazy to me, especially when it coems to Garland. When in FF1's time is Garland sent to World B? The report makes it sound like he's aware of the time loop, which only makes sense if he was Chaos not Garland... On a totally unrelated note, the phrase "13 Cids of darkness" entered my head, and then was quickly scrapped as silly. Garland is aware of the time loop, and he is Chaos. As a matter of fact, he transforms into Chaos at the end of FF1. He means it when he says he knows a lot about Chaos, and he's the one who tlaks about being brought to the past by his future self when he was on the edge of death.
And suddenly something else I never noticed until now makes sense. And I think I'm going to use it in my plot for World A.
Anyway, in the Cosmos reports, it's revealed that the story is that of the memories of Cid's wife, as they were inheirited by another Lufenian woman in Lukahn's time, and he interviewed her because he believed the place in her inheirited memories were the same places where the Fiends appeared. That woman is Eirian's mother. It's how I was able to make an excuse for him to train as a sage under Lukahn. |
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Post by GX1997 on Sept 24, 2014 21:02:41 GMT -6
Can anyone tell me if Duodecim introduced anything important to the plot? According to the wiki, the first Dissidia only got the first 7 reports. The ones after talk about how the manikins were made by Cid (out of some organic crystal that copies people), that the WoL is actually a "perfect manikin" Cid made while in World B in his own likeness that took on his personality (which makes WoL x Cosmos absolutely canon), how the cycles were to make Chaos strong enough to rip a hole in reality and get them all back world A, and a few other things I'm too lazy to sumamrize off the wiki. WoL was an imperfect manikin. Cid never created a perfect manikin. The only perfect one is Cosmos, who was made by the government scientists.
Also, he doesn't have Cid's personality. He had none, as part of being imperfect. His personality is the result of his interactions with other warriors over the many cycles of battle he was in, and the fact that he often never left Order's Sanctuary, so he was always around Cosmos. |
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 24, 2014 21:08:43 GMT -6
It sounded familiar but I didn't remember the exact details. Exactly how Dissidia links to FF1 is still kinda hazy to me, especially when it coems to Garland. When in FF1's time is Garland sent to World B? The report makes it sound like he's aware of the time loop, which only makes sense if he was Chaos not Garland... On a totally unrelated note, the phrase "13 Cids of darkness" entered my head, and then was quickly scrapped as silly. Garland is aware of the time loop, and he is Chaos. As a matter of fact, he transforms into Chaos at the end of FF1. He means it when he says he knows a lot about Chaos, and he's the one who tlaks about being brought to the past by his future self when he was on the edge of death.
And suddenly something else I never noticed until now makes sense. And I think I'm going to use it in my plot for World A.
Anyway, in the Cosmos reports, it's revealed that the story is that of the memories of Cid's wife, as they were inheirited by another Lufenian woman in Lukahn's time, and he interviewed her because he believed the place in her inheirited memories were the same places where the Fiends appeared. That woman is Eirian's mother. It's how I was able to make an excuse for him to train as a sage under Lukahn. I don't get it from Garland's point of view. So like...he's an ordinary knight that decides to turn evil and kidnap the princess for ransom. Warrior of Light kills him, but just before he dies, he is brought 2000 years into the past by the Four Fiends who have been unleashed upon the land over the course of 2000 years. The fiends give him super powers and he becomes a new entity known as Chaos. For the next 2000 years, he uses his new powers to unleash the Four Fiends upon the world so that they can bring him to the past in the future.
I like to think that Garland got the idea of naming his new form "Chaos" from the beast he met in Dissidia. In which case I suppose he was brought to World B just as he was being sent to the past...actually that makes a lot of sense. I think I answered my own question. Thanks. I guess. |
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 24, 2014 21:10:41 GMT -6
Records of Experiments -03-
Record 006
Memory successfully embedded in experiment.
Confirmed non-crystallization of body.
Difficult to sense any will in it's eyes,
perhaps caused by incomplete transplant.
Memory, sorry, not personality. But I assumed WoL was a perfect one like Cosmos (not crystalized)
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Post by The Big Cheese on Sept 24, 2014 21:17:03 GMT -6
On a totally unrelated note, the phrase "13 Cids of darkness" entered my head, and then was quickly scrapped as silly. That is brilliant, and should not be scrapped. All the Cids, and all the Sarahs can be gathered, and then... Somehow s*** goes down. Dunno how, but it does. Problem: FFVI's Cid is dead. Or he can be. And I had intended it to be so. But it's not that big'a deal. It would only be removing the most touching scene in FF, after all. |
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Post by AlmosDug on Sept 24, 2014 21:19:43 GMT -6
That is brilliant, and should not be scrapped. All the Cids, and all the Sarahs can be gathered, and then... Somehow s*** goes down. Dunno how, but it does. Problem: FFVI's Cid is dead. Or he can be. And I had intended it to be so. But it's not that big'a deal. It would only be removing the most touching scene in FF, after all.We can gather enough of them regardless. Don't worry. Though... Aerith is still alive... |
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Post by GX1997 on Sept 24, 2014 21:19:55 GMT -6
Records of Experiments -03- Record 006 Memory successfully embedded in experiment. Confirmed non-crystallization of body. Difficult to sense any will in it's eyes, perhaps caused by incomplete transplant. Memory, sorry, not personality. But I assumed WoL was a perfect one like Cosmos (not crystalized) Imperfect being living manikins with their own wills and such. Those other manikins are abominations. And as for the memory thing, it's pretty safe to assume the transplant was incomplete, and only gave enough memories to creat a manikin capable of thinking and developing free will, because with a complete or nearly complete transplant they have some free will from the start. But he didn't. Of course, that also makes you question things, since the point was to create a warrior who would join either side, not one who would have enough will to choose a side for themselves... Okay, that just makes this worse, and more complicated. As for Garland, no matter what way you look at it, some sort of paradox or outside intervention set in motion the events that made him create the timeloop. There are so many possible ways it happened, it's not even funny. I'm going to refresh my memory of the report where Garland is supposed to be speaking, and decide on my canon from there. So whatever I come up with is our final answer. Let's not confuse ourselves about this anymore until then. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 24, 2014 21:22:19 GMT -6
I will knock you all down!
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