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Post by Neo on Dec 26, 2014 0:15:26 GMT -6
.......Neo as much as I would love to say let's do B and end on a high note. Its just something that naws at me about letting this Bune character go away. No this is not about revenge at all why I am going to do this. Knowing full well that this Buns could be dam strong. He does control the risen and just letting him go away when he could always talk another Horatio into a pact and we are back here in this situation. I say we end him here and now. Don't give somebody a chance to fall for his lies. I could very well be leading us to our gloom. But I vote A. We have our characters that are at there peak. We have great weapons in great shape. I am pretty sure we have time to rest and heal enough to fight Bune. Just because he will not attack us doesn't seem some fool will not be drawn to his power. Well if you get rid of the source you take care of the problem. Again its not about revenge at all. Its about dealing with the source of everything. To put it another way we cut the head off the snake. Instead of sweeping it under a rug and hoping it doesn't bite us in the ass. My final vote is A. You want to pit so few characters against what is probably Lunatic/Lunatic+ Grima, if not worse? That is sheer insanity. We will be forced to fight him on his own terms, in a confined space(Or possibly even an alternate dimension), with only a handful of characters, all of whom are exhausted. We have 2 healers, and only 1 real tank. If Bune's attack range and strength are anything remotely close to what I think they are, he could easily take out Saul and John in a couple turns, leaving us without healers. Which means we automatically lose. So, essentially, we will have a time limit to defeat him. And we don't even know if we can kill Bune or not in the first place. We have far too little information about him, and we may not even have reinforcements. For all we know, Bune could summon another wave of Risen to attack our forces outside. Either that, or he could regain control of the Risen and make them even stronger, or even resurrect the ones our friends killed outside. Which would be catastrophic, since our forces outside are in absolutely no shape to fight. There is no going back if we fight him, and I guarantee, with how exhausted and wounded our characters are, someone will die. I know this for a fact. Are you willing to sacrifice someone? Maybe even multiple characters? And for what? Bune will disappear on his own. He will not attack unless we attack first. And not just any random bloke can make a contract with a Lord of Hell. Otherwise, people would have done it hundreds, even thousands of times before. And yet this has only happened once in how many centuries? It's because there is a specific way to do it, with specific prerequisites, and it takes a long time to do so. It can't be done just overnight. We have Goetia. We have so much now. If someone even attempts to forge another contract, how long do you think it will go unnoticed? There is always a risky side to war, X. But I have weighed both options, the risk/reward ratio of both, and in my professional opinion, A is a horrible mistake. Trust me on this. I am rarely wrong. Especially when my instincts are working overtime like they are now. This could potentially turn into another Fake Anna tragedy, so I'm glad I'm around this time. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 8:35:38 GMT -6
.......Neo as much as I would love to say let's do B and end on a high note. Its just something that naws at me about letting this Bune character go away. No this is not about revenge at all why I am going to do this. Knowing full well that this Buns could be dam strong. He does control the risen and just letting him go away when he could always talk another Horatio into a pact and we are back here in this situation. I say we end him here and now. Don't give somebody a chance to fall for his lies. I could very well be leading us to our gloom. But I vote A. We have our characters that are at there peak. We have great weapons in great shape. I am pretty sure we have time to rest and heal enough to fight Bune. Just because he will not attack us doesn't seem some fool will not be drawn to his power. Well if you get rid of the source you take care of the problem. Again its not about revenge at all. Its about dealing with the source of everything. To put it another way we cut the head off the snake. Instead of sweeping it under a rug and hoping it doesn't bite us in the ass. My final vote is A. You want to pit so few characters against what is probably Lunatic/Lunatic+ Grima, if not worse? That is sheer insanity. We will be forced to fight him on his own terms, in a confined space(Or possibly even an alternate dimension), with only a handful of characters, all of whom are exhausted. We have 2 healers, and only 1 real tank. If Bune's attack range and strength are anything remotely close to what I think they are, he could easily take out Saul and John in a couple turns, leaving us without healers. Which means we automatically lose. So, essentially, we will have a time limit to defeat him. And we don't even know if we can kill Bune or not in the first place. We have far too little information about him, and we may not even have reinforcements. For all we know, Bune could summon another wave of Risen to attack our forces outside. Either that, or he could regain control of the Risen and make them even stronger, or even resurrect the ones our friends killed outside. Which would be catastrophic, since our forces outside are in absolutely no shape to fight. There is no going back if we fight him, and I guarantee, with how exhausted and wounded our characters are, someone will die. I know this for a fact. Are you willing to sacrifice someone? Maybe even multiple characters? And for what? Bune will disappear on his own. He will not attack unless we attack first. And not just any random bloke can make a contract with a Lord of Hell. Otherwise, people would have done it hundreds, even thousands of times before. And yet this has only happened once in how many centuries? It's because there is a specific way to do it, with specific prerequisites, and it takes a long time to do so. It can't be done just overnight. We have Goetia. We have so much now. If someone even attempts to forge another contract, how long do you think it will go unnoticed? There is always a risky side to war, X. But I have weighed both options, the risk/reward ratio of both, and in my professional opinion, A is a horrible mistake. Trust me on this. I am rarely wrong. Especially when my instincts are working overtime like they are now. This could potentially turn into another Fake Anna tragedy, so I'm glad I'm around this time. Its not like I don't trust your instincts or I want to lead all our characters into a death trap. How to put it? The lord of hell is right there. Who knows if we can even get another chance to fight him. I am not doing this to be stubborn or to just throw a tie in there just b/c. Its call we came this far and we are so close to dealing with him once and for all. Not to say that some random bloke can just make a deal with him. But Horatio was not just some random bloke. Who's to say that one of our own allies would not be drawn to his power. Who's to say that some king out there who's not drawn by power would not be out for revenge. Yet it looks like we are both stuck in our ways. You want to leave and I want to defeat the threat while we are here and deal with him once and for all. Neo I trust your instinct on pretty much everything. Its part of the reason why I just left you to come up with a strategy. There was times back when I was a lurker on Gamefaqs that I wanted to scream at my computer for some of the stuff people were doing. It seems like we are at a stand still. You are sticking with B and I am sticking with A. I am not voting A to be a prick or to defie you neo. Its just leaving him just feels wrong. I really wish there was an option C where it was somewhere in the middle but it seems like we either just leave or fight an OP boss. |
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Post by SummerCrow on Dec 28, 2014 10:36:13 GMT -6
Well, there's no longer any chance this will be done before New Year's. But that's fine. I'd rather write a good story than finish by some arbitrary date (coughSkyrim). The fact we've got 2 people refusing to back down on different views tells me I'm doing something right, I guess. We'll just have to wait for one of the other voters to break the tie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 13:16:40 GMT -6
I have no choice but to vote B, X. I'm sorry, but I think it is for the best. I hate to say this, but this isn't a video game where the characters say they are exhausted at the final battle, but in game, they perform like they weren't.
In a story, characters are truly exhausted, and they fight like that throughout the battle. If this Bune is fully rested, he already has the advantage over us. He will tire slower than us anyway if he is really powerful. We can't let that happen. I don't know much about this dude, but I tell he has some serious skill.
Please, reconsider your vote, man.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 13:25:15 GMT -6
As tempting is this is... I'm going to go with Chrom's ending(June's ending). I really don't feel like fighting Grima, for no other reason then revenge. You do not risk the lives of your comrades and loved ones for revenge. I know full well this will allow Bune to return in the sequel, perhaps even stronger, but that isn't June's tale. We will finish Bune then when, and if, it comes to that. I also doubt Bune will attack us on his own right now. There is literally no reason to fight him. I do not think June would risk everyone's lives just for revenge. That isn't who she is. So I vote B. Also, I now have a very naughty image in my mind, regarding June in a ripped dress. *Gigity* Yeah... I need sleep... Yes, you do. I never thought you, a military man, could have such naughty thoughts. That's for people my age, sir. Now that you mention it, ripped dress? *Scribbles something down in notes while laughing to self* This is, uh, purely business! Hey, CD, where can I find the beginning of this CYOA? I'm really interested in it. It caught me when I heard Falchion, so I assume we have one of Chrom's descendents with us? |
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Post by Neo on Dec 28, 2014 13:29:35 GMT -6
As tempting is this is... I'm going to go with Chrom's ending(June's ending). I really don't feel like fighting Grima, for no other reason then revenge. You do not risk the lives of your comrades and loved ones for revenge. I know full well this will allow Bune to return in the sequel, perhaps even stronger, but that isn't June's tale. We will finish Bune then when, and if, it comes to that. I also doubt Bune will attack us on his own right now. There is literally no reason to fight him. I do not think June would risk everyone's lives just for revenge. That isn't who she is. So I vote B. Also, I now have a very naughty image in my mind, regarding June in a ripped dress. *Gigity* Yeah... I need sleep... Yes, you do. I never thought you, a military man, could have such naughty thoughts. That's for people my age, sir. Now that you mention it, ripped dress? *Scribbles something down in notes while laughing to self* This is, uh, purely business! Hey, CD, where can I find the beginning of this CYOA? I'm really interested in it. It caught me when I heard Falchion, so I assume we have one of Chrom's descendents with us? I'm not dead, Fen-Fen. Of course I have those kinds of thoughts sometimes. Check out page 1 of this topic. It has a link to the rest of the story. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 13:55:29 GMT -6
Yes, you do. I never thought you, a military man, could have such naughty thoughts. That's for people my age, sir. Now that you mention it, ripped dress? *Scribbles something down in notes while laughing to self* This is, uh, purely business! Hey, CD, where can I find the beginning of this CYOA? I'm really interested in it. It caught me when I heard Falchion, so I assume we have one of Chrom's descendents with us? I'm not dead, Fen-Fen. Of course I have those kinds of thoughts sometimes. Check out page 1 of this topic. It has a link to the rest of the story. Alright, thanks. I'll stop wasting space. I know you're not dead, but it still surprises me. I don't know, you just kinda have this businesslike air about your post with a few jokes here and there, but never beyond that. Maybe I'm interpreting you wrong... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 21:09:46 GMT -6
My Fennekin friend you and Neo are clearly voting to leave. I just have a really bad feeling about leaving the job that is unfinished. I might be wrong in assuming that A.) CdM is that cruel that he would purposely throw us in a final boss battle w/o any prep. B.) That this just seems tooooooooooo convient that we can just leave Bune to his own devices and that nothing bad is going to happen.
But I assume B is going to win. Even though just investgating the matter is out of the question. My stance is not about pride, revenge, or stubbornness but to destroy Bune before we have to deal with somebody worse then Horatio or a Bune that is way worse then he is now.
But I not going to go on a rant or anything I will just remain silent and when Bune comes back to bite us in the ass which it will. I will just be here to say 4 words. I told you so
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Post by SummerCrow on Dec 28, 2014 21:37:01 GMT -6
Hey, CD, where can I find the beginning of this CYOA? I'm really interested in it. It caught me when I heard Falchion, so I assume we have one of Chrom's descendents with us? There should be a link to the whole story on the first page, like Neo said. I've been dumping it on Fanfic.net. And it's never really come up, but they're actually one of Lissa's descendants. Also, B locked. ...K. Aw, man. Bune's a cool demon, too. Friggin' two-dragon-one-human-headed-dragon. Or one-dragon-one-lion-one-human-headed-dragon, depending on your source/translation. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 22:03:38 GMT -6
Well I hope you guys are satisfied with tucking your tails between your leg and running. But like I said this is the choice and when this decision sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo comes back and bites us in the ass. I just hope some bodies overprotective nature didn't just make things harder then it head to be. Didn't know there were so may running dogs here? But hey it is what it is.
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Post by SummerCrow on Dec 28, 2014 23:15:36 GMT -6
You peer down the ladder. It stretches down into the darkness, far past where the dim light shines. You slowly shake your head. "No. We're leaving. If that... thing is going away on its own, then we have bigger problems to worry about."
"But-" Paen starts.
You cut him off. "Like our allies out there, who may be struggling."
"But-!" Charlotte argues, perched over the ladder.
"Or Drake and the dracozombie. Or the army racing towards us."
"June..." Doran trails off. "Mary, you're sure Bune will... What's going to happen to him?"
Mary is silent for a moment. "Without a contract, he won't be able to remain in this world for long, a few hours at most. He'll soon return from whence he came."
Paen sighs. "...That's what Grima's telling me, as well." He sheathes Flamberge.
"We've come too far, accomplished too much" you tell him. "I'm not throwing anyone's life away now."
"The seal's lifting," Dan announces. "Unless anyone's got any objections, it's time to go."
Your group begins to file towards the door. Charlotte lingers behind, glancing over her shoulder at the passage. Saul takes her hand, and she jumps. He shakes his head, and she stares back blankly. Slowly, she begins to nod, then follow him out.
Rain slaps you on the back. "June... You made the right choice. We accomplished our goals, there's no reason to act foolish. Oh, and if Paen starts pouting, just smack him."
As you step out onto the steps of the council chambers, your eyes adjust almost immediately to the gloom of the late afternoon. The sun floats just above the horizon, and the shadows of the town's buildings stretch far. You don't have long now, about half an hour. If you head to the inn, gather your troops, and start moving, you should be able to escape before the enemy reinforcements arrive - assuming Cynbel's estimate was accurate. Either way, you've precious little time for error, unless you plan to confront the cavalry. If you do confront them... Maybe you'll be able to convince them to surrender. If not, you're not sure if you stand a chance.
(A) Collect Holland's group and leave
(B) Assemble your troops at the council chambers, prepare what defenses you can
(C) Ride out to meet the cavalry in the plains around the town
(1) Send fliers to search for Drake (choosing this with A will risk your fliers)
(2) Abandon Drake
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Post by Neo on Dec 28, 2014 23:32:47 GMT -6
Argh!!! I can't abandon Drake! But we can't stay here and face the enemy Cavalry either!!!
Hey CDM, how powerful is the Dracozombie? Assuming it's still alive, but wounded, can it one shot any of our fliers? Also, if we do send our fliers after Drake, will they be in the attack range of the enemy reinforcements?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 23:58:30 GMT -6
I vote for whatever combination let's us run away with our tails between our legs. We are hurt. We are exhausted. We don't stand a chance at this stage. This isn't a game where everyone is exhausted and can fight off an entire calvery. We just went through hell and some thing something I don't want our troops to get hurt. Also if Drake gets killed just use the Aum staff on him to bring him back to life.
So I vote A2 for running away like a cat of a scared nature and making sure everyone is a okay. Wasn't that hard and all we hard to do was sacrifice one player we can always bring back to life. Besides its not like Drake can hate us anymore then he does
Before anyone says anything. I just had to listen to you two pull this argument on me about Bune. So choke on it
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Post by SummerCrow on Dec 29, 2014 0:31:34 GMT -6
Argh!!! I can't abandon Drake! But we can't stay here and face the enemy Cavalry either!!! Hey CDM, how powerful is the Dracozombie? Assuming it's still alive, but wounded, can it one shot any of our fliers? Also, if we do send our fliers after Drake, will they be in the attack range of the enemy reinforcements? Well. Rain's going to be in command of your fliers. And she has Falchion. It's pretty hard to be ambushed by a giant purple dragon, especially while you're actively searching for a red dragon. There's 800ft of wide-open plains between the hills and town already, and Drake headed west, out to sea. Though lighting conditions are getting worse. That... should be all the relevant information. |
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Post by Neo on Dec 29, 2014 0:40:19 GMT -6
Argh!!! I can't abandon Drake! But we can't stay here and face the enemy Cavalry either!!! Hey CDM, how powerful is the Dracozombie? Assuming it's still alive, but wounded, can it one shot any of our fliers? Also, if we do send our fliers after Drake, will they be in the attack range of the enemy reinforcements? Well. Rain's going to be in command of your fliers. And she has Falchion. It's pretty hard to be ambushed by a giant purple dragon, especially while you're actively searching for a red dragon. There's 800ft of wide-open plains between the hills and town already, and Drake headed west, out to sea. Though lighting conditions are getting worse. That... should be all the relevant information. Good. Even with worsening visibility, a giant purple dragon isn't something that's easy to miss. Also, X, we can't use the Aum Staff if we don't have a body in front of us. That's not how the Staff works. Given CDM's info, our fliers won't have to engage the enemy at all. They can simply fly after us, after we retreat. And Rain is proficient with healing staves anyway. Unless a wounded Dracozombie can one shot someone without ambushing, which I don't think it can, then the choice here is obvious. I vote A1. |
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Post by SummerCrow on Dec 29, 2014 1:05:37 GMT -6
Phone again, so no quotes. To what Neo said: you don't need a corpse for to use the staff. And the risk is if the enemy sends out hunting parties that cut your fliers off when they try to rejoin you.
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Post by Neo on Dec 29, 2014 4:57:12 GMT -6
Phone again, so no quotes. To what Neo said: you don't need a corpse for to use the staff. And the risk is if the enemy sends out hunting parties that cut your fliers off when they try to rejoin you. But from that height, what could they possibly do against us? Bow Knights can't use anything like the Double Bow, and even if they could, arrows can only fly so high. If we're so high in the sky anyway, their shots would have no force or aim, and most would just fizzle out anyway. That's just simple physics. And how would they know our fliers are even around in the first place, if we're out at sea? Are you pulling something crazy, and sending a Company of Gravity-defying psychic Bow Lords with Double Bows and Super Parthias against us? |
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Post by slykirby on Dec 29, 2014 7:45:39 GMT -6
A1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 9:41:10 GMT -6
Your right let's do A1 because nothing can possibly go wrong and everything is covered. (But when something happens because you over looked something or you didn't plan out everything like you thought you did. Then well I got 4 words for you. I told you so.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 10:47:58 GMT -6
A1
X, chill man. It's nothing serious, just how two people would think from a military/strategic point of view. If I'm uncertain towards something, I would definitely pull my troops back, either waiting for reinforcements, or heading to our main objective.
There are some thing's we can't do at certain times. I'm not saying we're scared, I'm saying it's common sense to pull back when outmatched. There will always be another day to face that threat.
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