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Post by GX1997 on Jun 3, 2014 21:29:57 GMT -6
I don't think Daedra can mate with men or Mer, and if they can, I don't think the offspring would he of either race. Well, it's complicated to say the least. The meaning of the word Aedra, when translated into Aldemeris, is 'our ancestors'. Daedra means 'not our ancestors'. But both Aedra and Daedra are et'Ada, the only known difference between them being that the Aedra helped to create Mundus, while the Daedra refused to help. According to the anuad, the Ehlnofey were et'Ada that eventually became both man and mer. So is it impossible for a daedra to have a child with a mortal? I can't say for sure, but it's very likely possible after all. But still, check with Neo before you use that kind of backstory. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Jun 3, 2014 21:43:52 GMT -6
I know all of that.
Actually, there are some pieces of lore that suggest that men were not descended from the Ehlnofey, but directly created by Lorkhan.
There are multiple accounts of Daedra and mortals mating, some of which has yielded multiple outcomes. Molag Bal created the first vampire by raping a mortal woman. He also produced a Daedric child from a mortal as well.
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Post by Neo on Jun 3, 2014 21:46:11 GMT -6
Yes, it is possible for a Daedric Prince to have a child with a mortal, but it's extremely rare, and can only happen in certain circumstances. And while that child would bear some similarities to their parents, that child, in essence, would become an entirely new race, neither Daedra or Mortal, but a new type of et'Ada. Again, as GX so eloquently stated, it is possible, just very complicated and difficult. And not any random Nord can get with a Daedra and expect to have a child. I've done a lot of research on this particular subject, because it's something I'm using for Varren's backstory. If you would like specifics, feel free to PM me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 6:47:53 GMT -6
I've read about Molag and his exploits... All I can say is he is lucky he is immortal.
Would be the first person I'd kill, but alas evil always lives longer than good.
Anyway, now that that is one memory down to go I can advance the plot and get to questing
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Post by Neo on Jun 4, 2014 14:33:07 GMT -6
More Lore.
Current powers in Tamriel
Mortal Powers:
High King Wolfgar the Great, 4E 965 - Current, ruler of Skyrim.
Jarl Preya the Just, 4E 965 - Current, Jarl of Solitude
Jarl Taryn Stormcaller, 4E 971 - Current, Jarl of Whiterun
Jarl Nelod Wise-Sight, 4E 941 - Current, Jarl of Windhelm
Jarl Delphne Oathbreaker, 4E 956 - Current, Jarl of Dawnstar
Jarl Grima Silvertongue, 4E 981 - Current, Jarl of Riften
Jarl Senna Nightcloak, 4E 992 - Current, Jarl of Markarth
Jarl Olfrid Greatbeard, 4E 949 - Current, Jarl of Winterhold
Jarl Of a Thousand Words, 4E 923 - Current, Jarl of Morthal
Jarl Devin Malcrock, 4E 979 - Current, Jarl of Falkreath
High King Varren Summerset, 4E 817 - 4E 998, former ruler of the Dominion
High Regent Gildar Nexus, 4E 998 - Current, ruler of the Aldmeri Dominion
Queen Niana Redoran, 4E 704 - 4E 998, former Queen of Morrowind
Daedric/Immortal Powers:
The Dread Lord Sithis, self proclaimed ruler of the universe, and current ruler of Tamriel
Njada Shadowhand, The Listener, Avatar of Sithis, 'Empress' of Tamriel
Orochi Blood-Eye, High Speaker of the Brotherhood, Chief of Assassins, and Right Hand to the Listener
And of course, all the Daedric Lords, but I don't feel like listing them now.
Chronicler's Notes: Jarl Of a Thousand Words is the first Argonian Jarl of Morthal in recorded history. The Queen of Morrowind is believed to have perished during the 'Night of Falling Stars', when House Telvanni and House Dres betrayed the other Houses, allowing Sithis to easily gain control of the province. However, it is rumored the Queen yet lives, and is the leader of a underground resistance in Morrowind. While only a rumor, some believe Queen Redoran and the Listener are related, even perhaps mother and daughter. Jarl Preya is the wife of High King Wolfgar. Jarl Silvertongue is the youngest Jarl in Riften's history, having seized the throne at the unprecedented age of 21. It is widely believed High Regent Nexus is in league with the Brotherhood, but the truth of this is unknown.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 14:42:13 GMT -6
Where does Siegemund lay on this list?
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Jun 4, 2014 14:46:08 GMT -6
Oh, the Mede Dynasty would have ended when Sithis sacked Cyrodiil. Thus, he would have no position.
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Jun 4, 2014 14:46:32 GMT -6
Plus, Siegemund isn't a Cyrodiilic name.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 14:49:06 GMT -6
Cyrodilliac name? What does that have to do with the fall of the Mede dynasty?
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Jun 4, 2014 14:51:28 GMT -6
He's most likely not a veritable heir due to his name and likely heritage, unless he was the only son of the former emperor. He's also a Nord, so he's likely an illegitimate child.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 14:55:34 GMT -6
Do we have a name for the former emperor?
And I'm still not getting how the heck a name has anything to do with naming royalty, or a position.
And you have me equally confused with this illegitimate child thing.
Besides, wasn't martin equally viable for the Septim throne before his death? He also was illegitimate
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Post by GX1997 on Jun 4, 2014 15:07:30 GMT -6
Either Martin would take the throne, or Mehrunes Dagon would destroy Tamriel like an hour afterwards. Look up a video of the Light the Dragonfires quest in Oblivion. Dagon was literally marching on the Imperial City in person, and it would have only been a few more minutes befors Tamriel was doomed.
Siegemund is a Nord. A Nord wouldn't be trusted enough to take the throne after the Civil War in Skyrim, since most would likely view him as being untrustworthy and having sympathies toward the Nords of Skyrim and their politcal views. That's also why it would be unlikely that Siegemund's mother would have been married to one of the heirs of the throne, she was a Nord, her children would be Nords. It's just an issue of trust and what sort of claims he would have to the throne. If his parents were married and he wasn't an illegitimate child, he would likely be so distant from the direct Mede bloodline that he would never have a decent claim to the throne.
You should probably look up Cyrodiilic politics on UESP. The few times when someone who wasn't an Imperial or Breton was part of the royal family, it generally ended with their descendants having little to no claim to the throne and being denied. The one exception was Empress Katariah, and she became the empress because her husband was unexpectedly given the throne despite not being a very direct heir. And the reason they were allowed to marry in the first place was to help political relations between the empire and Morrowind.
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Jun 4, 2014 15:16:10 GMT -6
Martin was also an imperial, and the only possible heir. He was also the only person who could prevent the end of the world, and there was still an empire at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 15:32:29 GMT -6
Man this is frustrating and throws me for an entire loop.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 15:34:27 GMT -6
Surely it's been 800 years since the civil war. I know hatred can last for a long time, but I feel that's impossible after such a long time.
Maybe I should take a break from Sithis. Gotta rewrite siegemunds entire future storyline thanks to this info.
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Post by GX1997 on Jun 4, 2014 15:38:00 GMT -6
But Skyrim never rejoined the empire after the civil war. That would leave a lot of hatred.
As for your planning, let's wait and see what Neo has to say about the Mede dynasty. Once we know what he's chosen as canon regarding the dynasty, we can help you adjust your plans and try to salvage as much of it as possible, if you want.
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Jun 4, 2014 15:38:40 GMT -6
There's little to no empire left, and it's under te control of the Listener. However, he could take it back by force from the Listener if he was strong enough. He would be heralded as a hero alongside the others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 15:45:01 GMT -6
There's little to no empire left, and it's under te control of the Listener. However, he could take it back by force from the Listener if he was strong enough. He would be heralded as a hero alongside the others. You figured out my endgame I see. It's inevitable that we are going to face the listener later on in a final battle ( unless Neo kills her off earlier) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 15:52:11 GMT -6
But Skyrim never rejoined the empire after the civil war. That would leave a lot of hatred. As for your planning, let's wait and see what Neo has to say about the Mede dynasty. Once we know what he's chosen as canon regarding the dynasty, we can help you adjust your plans and try to salvage as much of it as possible, if you want. So we are going the path where the Dragonborn helped the stormcloaks win canon? and thanks for the consideration. though I do have one thing to add. I did mention he had the blood of Titus I running through his veins. I thought it was enough to establish direct ancestry and not indirect. Though I can easily see how you thought it was illegitimate. another thing. I wasn't aware mixed blood royalty would be denied a claim to the throne. i could have made Herman a Nord, but either way it would still run into the same problem that we have now. though, I have no idea who the current emperor of Cyrodiil was. So I cannot establish the type of familial connection I had wanted when I typed of the post. I could make it an uncle, perhaps a grandfather, but I don't know how far Neo has planned for who the former emperor of the now destroyed Mede duns rays was or of he had children. |
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Post by GX1997 on Jun 4, 2014 16:16:06 GMT -6
If Siegemund is descended from Titus Mede I, then he has about as much of a claim to the throne as Lorelei does. Meaning basically none. Titus I took the throne in 4E 17. Meaning it's been almost a thousand years, and Siegemund is way, way, way too distant from the direct bloodline.
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