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Post by Neo on Aug 15, 2016 0:12:50 GMT -6
1: June
2: Lana
3: Alice/Eeeeeeeevil One
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 20:29:41 GMT -6
(Time to give the people what they want)
Location: Lana's Room
"I wonder what's taking those two so long," Lana said. "They said they would be here any moment, even if it's for a few minutes," Lana said as she began to pace back and fourth. "Then again they told me mom did the same thing so it should be fine," Lana said as she sat down and began to have second thoughts. A knock on the door catches Lana attention. "Who is it?" Lana asked.
"It's a me Mario," Mario said.
"Really you don't have to say that all the time," Starlow said.
"Oh yeah," Mario replied.
"Come in guys," Lana said as Mario and Starlow entered the room. "So are you guys ready," Lana asked.
"Yeah just remember all you need to do to get rid of the suit is either wish it away or turn into a statue," Starlow said.
Mario took out the Tanooki Leaf and tossed it into the air.
"So all I have tone do is let it touch me and," as soon as the leaf touched Lana she disappeared. Lana was suppose to reappear after a few brief seconds but she didn't.
"Oh no," Mario let out.
"Ma ma Mia, the Queen is going to kill us, if we are lucky," Starlow said in a panic.
Location: ??????
"Welcome back everyone and now to introduce our latest victim.... guest," Anna said Lana appeared on stage in a poof of smoke.
Tanooki Lana was just staring into the crowd unsure on what just happened. "I don't remember Mom reappering in a crowded audotourium," Lana said as she looked out into the crowd. Tanooki Lana had a pair of pointy wolf like ears, on top of her long flowing silver hair which was visible, her night gown that she was wearing was replaced with a rather revealing Tan colored Furry dress, with a tiny furry mini skirt, and a pair of furry boots. Finally, Lana had a long and puffy tail that began to wag on its own unsure on what was going on.
"Well you asked for her and she has arrived, introducing the princess of how do you say it..... Hoshino!Oz, the beautiful and talented Lana," Anna said as the crowd erupted into cheer. "Princess Lana you have been selected by our crack team of voters to appear in this episode of the Mailbag of Legends," Anna said as couple of fireworks went off. Lana looked extremely confused about what this mailbag was. "Oh don't worry dear these fans of yours, which as you can see you have a lot of will send you questions and all you have to do is answer them, afterwards you get to go home and not remember a single thing that happened.
"So what type of questions?" Lana asked very nervously.
"Whatever they want to ask, can be serouis or as personal as they want it too be," Anna told Lana.
"Okay I can roll with that so now what," Lana asked.
"Well now you wait backstage and these lovely people will send you questions," Anna said
"Do I have too keep the suit on?" Lana asked.
"Why of course dear, this is how we increase viewership," Anna said. "Don't worry we have plenty of wonderful things for you to try on," Anna said. "Well now security escort our guest to her quarters," Anna said as an army of Mankeys, Water Nymphs, Super Monkies, and Flying Monkies lead Lana back stage. "As for you guys send in those questions I hate to see what would befall Mario and Starlow if Lana isnt returned because you didn't send in questions'" Anna said as she pointed to the crowd.
Deadline well for now Next Friday
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Post by empireoffire on Aug 18, 2016 20:35:51 GMT -6
"Wow usually the Fanservice dosent happen until the viewers send in questions," Anna commented. This Anna must be new. ...Like, "wasn't around one episode ago" new. |
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Post by Neo on Aug 18, 2016 22:06:10 GMT -6
Glinda's fanservice was really disturbing to me. I stopped reading it pretty quickly and just read the questions. So maybe we can tone the 50 Shades of Grey down a bit in this next episode, yeah?
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Post by empireoffire on Aug 18, 2016 22:38:36 GMT -6
Glinda's fanservice was really disturbing to me. I stopped reading it pretty quickly and just read the questions. So maybe we can tone the 50 Shades of Grey down a bit in this next episode, yeah? Lana has actual clothes on from the start, so that's good enough, right? |
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Post by Neo on Aug 18, 2016 23:00:52 GMT -6
Glinda's fanservice was really disturbing to me. I stopped reading it pretty quickly and just read the questions. So maybe we can tone the 50 Shades of Grey down a bit in this next episode, yeah? Lana has actual clothes on from the start, so that's good enough, right? Emppy, last episode was so close to the line that I had my finger hovering over the PM button, about to tell you to edit or I was going to mod it, for a full five minutes before I decided I would allow the mailbag a little more leeway. This time. So, to answer your question: No, it's not. It's time to cut back on the bondage, humiliation, and domination porn. Because I don't like it. At all. In fact, it makes my skin crawl and my vision turn red. Innuendo and skimpy clothes. That's what's allowed. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 23:15:49 GMT -6
The worse thing Lana will be wearing a 2 piece bathng suit while she has her Tanooki ears and tails.
I would say her Tanooki cloths were skimpy but at worse was pg-13.
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Post by Neo on Aug 18, 2016 23:35:33 GMT -6
Take a look at the forum rules on porn. It goes directly to me. It is handled directly by me, swiftly and severely, if I judge it to be porn. I will not tolerate it on this site. At all. There is no room for debate in this. In this one thing, I will not be questioned. It is as good as law on this site. Also, this rule has never changed. It is not a new one. It has been here since I made the site.
Innuendo is fine. Off screen scenes are fine. Even on screen scenes I'll tolerate, as long as they're vague enough. Skimpy clothes are fine. A scene with someone in a bath towel or under the sheets is fine. Look at my recent OZ post with Esdeath. The implication was there. She wasn't completely, obviously naked and chained to a bathtub while I described how she attempted to cover herself in front of cameras.
I once told Emppy that if he posted the Yancy mailbag here, I would delete it without hesitation or apology. I meant that. I still do. I allowed the Glinda mailbag to stand, and I'm going to continue to do so. I originally didn't even intend to say all this, I thought my rules on the matter were already clear. Now they are.
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Post by empireoffire on Aug 18, 2016 23:41:38 GMT -6
I... have trouble remembering why I decreed the episodes go on the main topic. Maybe it was because I wanted the readers of Nova (back in GFAQS) have a chance to see them (and the occasional plot relevant points) instead of digging through a discussion topic. I know the intros being posted in the discussion topic was to not break up the main action with a non/ambiguously canon post that would make no sense (Billy sent to mailbag verse, then is doing main canon things with no acknowledgement, then is back in the mailbag verse to do questions and is brought back to main canon).
Of course, this is a moot point since no one else besides RPers actually reads the main topic. If people want different, just say so.
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Post by empireoffire on Aug 18, 2016 23:55:38 GMT -6
Take a look at the forum rules on porn. It goes directly to me. It is handled directly by me, swiftly and severely, if I judge it to be porn. I will not tolerate it on this site. At all. There is no room for debate in this. In this one thing, I will not be questioned. It is as good as law on this site. Also, this rule has never changed. It is not a new one. It has been here since I made the site. Innuendo is fine. Off screen scenes are fine. Even on screen scenes I'll tolerate, as long as they're vague enough. Skimpy clothes are fine. A scene with someone in a bath towel or under the sheets is fine. Look at my recent OZ post with Esdeath. The implication was there. She wasn't completely, obviously naked and chained to a bathtub while I described how she attempted to cover herself in front of cameras. I once told Emppy that if he posted the Yancy mailbag here, I would delete it without hesitation or apology. I meant that. I still do. I allowed the Glinda mailbag to stand, and I'm going to continue to do so. I originally didn't even intend to say all this, I thought my rules on the matter were already clear. Now they are. You had Silver skinny-dip, getting obviously flustered on-stage as she initially appeared topless, fulfilling a catgirl fetish that "left little to the imagination", be continuously teased and taunted by Anna, and get harassed by the audience at several points in more than mere passing mentions (as in not just "the audience liked this" and moved on, you actually wrote the kind of things they said). But that's none of my business. |
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Post by Neo on Aug 19, 2016 0:00:16 GMT -6
Take a look at the forum rules on porn. It goes directly to me. It is handled directly by me, swiftly and severely, if I judge it to be porn. I will not tolerate it on this site. At all. There is no room for debate in this. In this one thing, I will not be questioned. It is as good as law on this site. Also, this rule has never changed. It is not a new one. It has been here since I made the site. Innuendo is fine. Off screen scenes are fine. Even on screen scenes I'll tolerate, as long as they're vague enough. Skimpy clothes are fine. A scene with someone in a bath towel or under the sheets is fine. Look at my recent OZ post with Esdeath. The implication was there. She wasn't completely, obviously naked and chained to a bathtub while I described how she attempted to cover herself in front of cameras. I once told Emppy that if he posted the Yancy mailbag here, I would delete it without hesitation or apology. I meant that. I still do. I allowed the Glinda mailbag to stand, and I'm going to continue to do so. I originally didn't even intend to say all this, I thought my rules on the matter were already clear. Now they are. You had Silver skinny-dip, getting obviously flustered on-stage as she initially appeared topless, fulfilling a catgirl fetish that "left little to the imagination", be continuously teased and taunted by Anna, and get harassed by the audience at several points in more than mere passing mentions (as in not just "the audience liked this" and moved on, you actually wrote the kind of things they said). But that's none of my business. Yes, I am well aware. There's a reason I stopped writing the mailbag, and it wasn't just due to time constraints or writer's block. I crossed the line myself. However, that doesn't change the forum rules. Not in the slightest. The rule on porn has existed since everyone signed up. And these rules are nonnegotiable. |
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Post by SpringForest on Aug 19, 2016 0:42:19 GMT -6
Why am I selling the fanservice on Vitcon? This is clearly where the money's at. I gotta get that DLC installed...
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Post by Neo on Aug 19, 2016 0:47:50 GMT -6
The scene in FT did not violate any of the Forum rules whatsoever, not even in the slightest. Absolutely nothing was shown on screen, there was only the aftermath and the nod to the fact it happened. It made you uncomfortable Crow because of a personal reason, having to do with drunken or half drunken one night stands. GX and I talked about that scene for a very long while, both beforehand in planning it and afterwards in discussing it. It did not violate any rules, and only one person made a complaint.
I have done my best to set the standard so this site is appropriate for all ages, so that as few people as possible are offended or uncomfortable with something, and so that this site is free of all the chaos of larger sites and, in general, is a friendly site where friends can be. If I let people say, do, and write whatever they want, then this site will be abandoned within a week and I'll lose most of my friends.
I don't think you understand the balancing act I have to do to maintain this site.
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Post by Neo on Aug 19, 2016 0:54:47 GMT -6
This site was founded on the idea of being a haven, where people could come to relax, be with friends, write, and generally escape the drama of other sites and stresses of everyday life. I may have failed miserably at times, but I am still going to do my absolute damn best to uphold that vision.
Bottom line is this. Porn will not be tolerated. Writing sex scenes or other mature scenes will only be tolerated if they are within the established rules. If you don't like this, try GameFaqs or 4Chan.
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Post by empireoffire on Aug 19, 2016 1:19:34 GMT -6
I have done my best to set the standard so this site is appropriate for all ages, so that as few people as possible are offended or uncomfortable with something, What if we want to do things that are very much not intended to be "E for Everyone" even without sexual themes? Heck, a few RPs and CYOAs are very obviously designed in mind to be T at best and M as a potential standard; Nova, Austur, FT, Oz most likely, and possibly others have hyper-violence and themes such as slavery and implied suicidal thoughts that not everyone is going to be comfortable with. Anyway, I think it's hard to draw a line about what's "appropriate" when everyone has a different idea of what's appropriate. For example, I personally don't have much problems with sexual themes and only really draw the line at outright sex or characters getting harmed by it (and I did think the Yancy mailbag was me overdoing it), but clearly other people have different ideas; I thought Glinda's thing was softcore at worst, while apparently it's pornography to someone else. It doesn't help that "the line" isn't clearly defined in the first place; "no porn" sounds good enough on paper, but then you start seeing stuff like the Silver mailbag which makes it difficult to tell what's acceptable and what isn't. I also trust we have enough control of ourselves not to degrade the place into 4chan over something silly like mailbag-tier (i.e. not very good) "porn", but that's not the point. |
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Post by Neo on Aug 19, 2016 1:38:26 GMT -6
Later, then. Seriously, I can't see how you can go immediately from "I acknowledged it made you uncomfortable for personal reasons but it didn't violate any rules so tough luck" to "this site's supposed to be a haven for people to write and enjoy themselves." And don't ****ing tell me I don't "understand your balancing act" right after I ****ing agreed with you and pointed out you have to balance the fact this is a public forum. Hell, I almost added how I don't envy your position, but decided not to. Fine, then. No rules were clearly violated. Only one person complained. 2 admitted to bring uncomfortable, but I'm not complaining. By exactly what you just said about FT, you don't have anything to act on. I don't want to see this mailbag stuff devolve into "this is straight porn." But I won't participate if it's neutered because one person in power complained. And all that said, you two are intelligent people. Find a damn middle ground. Make mailbags an opt-in thread in PMs or something. Host it on a different forum. Make everything be in spoiler tags. Figure it out. ..... Why do I even bother anymore? First of all. Have I modded any mailbags? No. I'm only attempting to enforce the original rules that were first put in place. Apparently that's a bad thing. That scene in FT was a gigantic plot point for two major characters, and deleting it would most likely have straight up killed the RP. At the very least, I probably would have stopped posting for a very long time. GX and I had planned that scene and all its implications and consequences for months. It did not violate any rules. I actually did apologize to you, Crow, after you explained to me why it made you so uncomfortable. So, should I have killed the entire RP because one scene made a few people uncomfortable? Do I delete the scene, knowing full well it will mean months wasted and me likely spiraling into depression and writer's block, knowing full well it will make quite a few people really unhappy? Do I allow the lesser number of my friends to be uncomfortable, or the greater number sad? Where is the point where I should stop being everyone's friend and be the authority of this site, and vice versa? How do I balance that and keep as many people happy as possible? That is the balance I was talking about. And apparently, no matter what I do, I'm always terrible. I don't have time to address the rest of your post. But how about this. You call yourself my friend. How about you have a little faith in me and trust me for once? |
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Post by Neo on Aug 19, 2016 1:48:41 GMT -6
I have done my best to set the standard so this site is appropriate for all ages, so that as few people as possible are offended or uncomfortable with something, What if we want to do things that are very much not intended to be "E for Everyone" even without sexual themes? Heck, a few RPs and CYOAs are very obviously designed in mind to be T at best and M as a potential standard; Nova, Austur, FT, Oz most likely, and possibly others have hyper-violence and themes such as slavery and implied suicidal thoughts that not everyone is going to be comfortable with. Anyway, I think it's hard to draw a line about what's "appropriate" when everyone has a different idea of what's appropriate. For example, I personally don't have much problems with sexual themes and only really draw the line at outright sex or characters getting harmed by it (and I did think the Yancy mailbag was me overdoing it), but clearly other people have different ideas; I thought Glinda's thing was softcore at worst, while apparently it's pornography to someone else. It doesn't help that "the line" isn't clearly defined in the first place; "no porn" sounds good enough on paper, but then you start seeing stuff like the Silver mailbag which makes it difficult to tell what's acceptable and what isn't. I also trust we have enough control of ourselves not to degrade the place into 4chan over something silly like mailbag-tier (i.e. not very good) "porn", but that's not the point. You're absolutely right. Not everyone is the same. Not everyone is made uncomfortable by the same things. For f***'s sake, a simple sarcastic quip you made not long ago triggered me so violently I had flashbacks. You had no way of knowing that would happen, did you? Congratulations. Now you know what it's like to be the Admin of this site. I try my best to find a middle ground, and everyone gives me s*** for it. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have things to do. |
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Post by Neo on Aug 19, 2016 2:00:38 GMT -6
Actually, no. The Army can wait a couple minutes. I need to get this off my chest. And then I'm going to drop the subject, before it upsets me too much. After all, trying to explain myself always ends the same way anyway.
Say I make an exception for the mailbag. I allow it to continue dancing along the lines of the rules. Then a new member comes along and creates a story with heavy sexual themes. I mod it, and he points out that I allow similar scenes in the mailbags all the time. Guess what? I'm now officially playing favorites. Not talking to one person over the other or posting in the RP they want me to first because I happen to like them more or some other reason and I happen to be human.. No, the Head Admin starts making blatantly obvious exceptions to the actual rules for certain people over others.
How long do you think it would take for those rules to become irrelevant? And once they do, how long before this site dissolves into chaos? Do you think we'll always have under 70 members? Do you think I don't take the future into account as well?
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Post by Neo on Aug 19, 2016 2:09:25 GMT -6
Someone, someone is always going to take offense at something I do or say. That is inevitable, so I try to mitigate the risk as best I can.
But do you know I dread coming on the Verse now? Because I know, that regardless of what I do, there's always going to be something I say or do that people misunderstand. And then that will lead inevitably into an argument, or me desperately trying to explain myself to people I call friends, and that in turn will upset me so much that I don't want to come on.
You want to be the Admin? You think you can do a better job than me? Well?
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Post by GX1997 on Aug 19, 2016 7:53:59 GMT -6
Okay. Let's look at the main issues at the cor dof this instead of broader issues for a second.
Neo has triggers that certain posts get very close to, or sometimes are, containing. This is a serious issue. His triggers are not stupid Tumblr stuff or anything. They're real PTSD triggers. The triggers are serious in real life and fiction. He's letting the mailbag slide, because in some places it's there while in others it's not quite there. He just doesn't want it to become a serious problem. It's his health on the line. That is something we all should be able to respect.
Crow, about that FT post. No, it wasn't the same. Yes, you had a very bad reaction to it, and for that, I'm sorry. I know going forward- as should others- that there's no reason for me to go there if I don't have to, and even if I do, to talk to you ahead of time and then post it then in spoiler tags with warnings. It's serious for you too.
Emppy, I'm not going to tell you what to do about this particular mailbag. But I do like Crow's idea of moving the mailbags to the topics, since they'll have the same audience there. And when we all know they're going to cause issues or they push the envelope, to spoiler tag it and add warnings. You could even use multiple tags so that you can keep the questions and then less raunchy parts that no one takes issue with easily visible.
We also need to work together to establish where exactly the line is drawn on a number of issues. And that means everyone. No matter what people want to think of it, yes, Neo has a lot of say because he has to look out for himself. I expect everyone who also has places where the line has to be drawn to take part in the conversation for their sake too. We all have to have to work together to create a system and an environment that works for us.
Anyone who decides they still have things to say on this conversation, you can take it to me in a PM. Not anyone else. I'm going to mediate here, since that's my job. This conversation is done in this topic. My inbox has plenty of room for any venting or whatever you guys need. Just stop this madness that keeps on repeating when we already know how others feel about certain things.
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