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Post by SummerCrow on Sept 3, 2015 6:05:32 GMT -6
You forgot something important. You don't have to deal with JD once. You have to deal with 3 of them, plus all the ways Neo keeps bringing him back from the graveyard.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 6:32:24 GMT -6
I used fusion gate, an it let them get Ojama King. But then I used a trap to get Burst. And used gate to get Flare Wingman. I then ysed Poly to Add Sparks into the mix and Had a Shining Flare Wingman. My opponent quit after I destroyed one of their monsters.
In other words, I think I'm starting to get a feel for my custom deck. Some Heroes and Some XYZ
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 3, 2015 9:44:34 GMT -6
You know you can have multiple copies of a fusion monster, right?
Granted, Judgement Dragon is still easy to summon.
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 3, 2015 10:20:20 GMT -6
The difference between fluffals and JD is that JD still needs at least a few turns to mill and get into the hand. Fluffals are so synergistic that a good deck can have a board wipe and land a monster that cannot be destroyed turn 1 or 2. It's power creep.
That being said. JD's ability is way more potent given its stats than the frightfurs are. Flufalls are strong because of OTK speed not broken cards.
I'm also realizing how freaking insane XYZ is. There are some stupidly good XYZ monsters you can just throw into any old deck because the deck has level 3 or 4 monsters. Also, if you manage to summon one monster, instant fusion a buddy, overlay, congrats you have an XYZ with a painful effect. I want to use Leviair, a dragon that SS a banished level 4, in my Madolche deck because its effect is just so good even though it ruins the archetype aesthetic. I mean...I could not use it. But the combos man! The combos with it are insane!
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Post by Neo on Sept 3, 2015 13:30:11 GMT -6
What are you talking about, HD? Your Fluffal fusions have equal, or better stats than JD, all with very minimal and easy setup. And since you have multiple broken Fluffals that simply cannot be destroyed in any way with like 3000 ATK, it not only makes JD's ability completely useless, it gives you an extremely easy way to destroy him, and you can do all of this in 1 or 2 turns. And my deck only has 2 JDs CDM, not 3, and there's only ONE card in my deck that allows me to bring JD back from the grave.
Fluffals is a trillion times more broken, because it's not just one really good card, it's an entire flipping deck that practically guarantees victory. But notice how absolutely no one is complaining about Fluffals at all.
The only reason any of you guys even give a damn about Lightsworns is because I'm using it. If anyone else was using that deck, you guys would never complain at all.
But like I said last night, I honestly don't even care anymore. All of this nonsense is completely sapping all of my enjoyment of the game, to the point where I don't even want to participate in the tournament anymore. So do what you please. I'm too tired of all this crap to care.
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Post by empireoffire on Sept 3, 2015 13:44:43 GMT -6
The only reason any of you guys even give a damn about Lightsworns is because I'm using it. If anyone else was using that deck, you guys would never complain at all Yep. It's totally just because of that. Not because you're hell bent on justifying it's usage in a Tournament and claiming it's not broken when damn near everyone else has a differing opinion, and that it's no use complaining about a deck archetype that even the owner of said deck acknowledges as broke and isn't insisting on using it in the tournament regardless. Clearly, it's just because it's you.
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 3, 2015 14:03:10 GMT -6
People aren't complaining about Fluffals because they've already been banned, like Nekroz. But since JD is still valid, that's the thing to complain about.
And I do agree that my Fluffal deck beats JD too easily because they were designed to be competitive in a metagame where you're allowed three Mirror Force and a Raigeki and the new summoning form lets you summon your whole hand at once. Mass destruction just isn't as threatening to new decks. But older decks like Dark Magicians or E-Heroes would be destroyed by it. Balance in yugioh is laughable at best, especially with such a long history of power creep.
I want to try Fluffals vs. Shaddols or Nekroz again. I get the feeling I won't win those as easily if at all. I did spend quite a while studying the fluffal archetypes in order to figure out those combos and I don't really like all that going to waste. Maybe I'll play Battle Chessers.
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Post by empireoffire on Sept 3, 2015 14:10:26 GMT -6
I can Nekroz vs. Fluffals when I get over the Book of Moon Deus ex Machina.
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 3, 2015 14:12:35 GMT -6
I can Nekroz vs. Fluffals when I get over the Book of Moon Deus ex Machina. Consider how Neo feels! I pulled Raigeki-ex-machina on him twice!
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Post by GX1997 on Sept 3, 2015 14:27:46 GMT -6
You know what? I've been having on of the worst days of my life and I have to go to work in a few minutes and won't be home until very late. I don't want to hear all these complaints. I want this to be my one peaceful place today, because Inreally need it after all I've been through, okay?
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 3, 2015 14:29:48 GMT -6
I will enforce a lock on this topic if it keeps up. I'm staying away from the argument, but I will start busting out the modhammer if that's what it comes to.
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 3, 2015 14:32:48 GMT -6
I will enforce a lock on this topic if it keeps up. I'm staying away from the argument, but I will start busting out the modhammer if that's what it comes to. You forgot to hug GX.
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 3, 2015 14:33:41 GMT -6
I already did in our PMs, but you're right.
*hugs GX*
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 14:56:46 GMT -6
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 3, 2015 14:57:30 GMT -6
In non-argument news, I figured out why Dueling Network doesn't autodraw for whoever goes first on the first turn.
Arc-V changed that, so the person who goes first does not draw on their first turn in order to keep it from being too advantageous for most decks.
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Post by Neo on Sept 3, 2015 15:22:01 GMT -6
I already know that, Golurk. We're ignoring both that and the second field spell rule.
Anyway, I'm currently building a new deck, and I'd like some help testing it when I'm done.
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Post by SummerCrow on Sept 3, 2015 15:51:26 GMT -6
I don't care at this point, so what ya want.
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 3, 2015 17:49:26 GMT -6
So I did duel BC's resident yugioh expert and my fluffal deck is tame compared to some of the stuff he had going.
So yeah, it's just power creep. 5Ds will beat GX era stuff, GX will beat the original cards, and Arc-V (where fluffals came from) will stomp most of what came before it, unless there's an update to bring that archetype back up (like masked heroes did to the hero archetype)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 17:58:34 GMT -6
In a few minutes, I'll say when, I'd like to test my New Custom deck. Expext Suck tacularness. And I'm not used to these cards yet so bear with me. But Duel.
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 3, 2015 18:00:51 GMT -6
I made my 2006 gba game deck (modified for current banlist), so I can duel with that?
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