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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 8, 2014 19:32:10 GMT -6
Actually, it does have a mythological basis.
In folk tales, there are generally two ways to kill a dragon, trickery or an enchanted weapon.
Fairies are trickster spirits, who also enchant weapons in folklore. Fey are also popular as an antithesis for dragons in folklore. Dragons represent power and strength, while Fey represent skill and cunning.
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Post by empireoffire on Sept 8, 2014 19:40:18 GMT -6
Alright fine, let's use common sense. Fire Pokemon take extra damage from water spells, etc. How is Fairy defeating Dragon common sense? It's not. At all. It doesn't make any sense in any universe other than Pokemon. Not even in mythology, which is saying something. My characters are sufficiently balanced, and I'm not changing anything else. So deal. By that logic, Fire Blast is no more effective against a Treant than a Hydro Pump just because Pokemon laws can't intersect with non-Pokemon laws, BUT the opposite works just fine. The way you're going with it, you're just selectively choosing what works some way while a similar situation doesn't work because you say so. If Fairy-types are immune to Dragon Claw and such moves, they should be adapted to work similarly to the functions of other worlds. The same applies to every other world and how their laws work compared to others. That's the idea. We had an entire debate on how Pokemon are affected by Light and Dark magic for this very reason. You can't just walk in and say "Nope. This thing shouldn't happen because it gives a weakness to my s***." I'm not sure how you continue to fail to notice this, but your characters are NOT balanced with everyone else at all. You're simply refusing to change anything about your beloved children even when everyone else is willing to change their characters by hiding under the justification of "well, if THIS extremely specific scenario happens, then they're BOTTOM TIER!" You want nothing more than your characters to be the almighty god everyone likes to talk about. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 8, 2014 19:45:08 GMT -6
That's what I just explained.
In folklore, the primary abilities of fey (trickery and magic) are the primary weaknesses of dragons.
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Post by Neo on Sept 8, 2014 19:51:34 GMT -6
Alright fine, let's use common sense. Fire Pokemon take extra damage from water spells, etc. How is Fairy defeating Dragon common sense? It's not. At all. It doesn't make any sense in any universe other than Pokemon. Not even in mythology, which is saying something. My characters are sufficiently balanced, and I'm not changing anything else. So deal. By that logic, Fire Blast is no more effective against a Treant than a Hydro Pump just because Pokemon laws can't intersect with non-Pokemon laws, BUT the opposite works just fine. The way you're going with it, you're just selectively choosing what works some way while a similar situation doesn't work because you say so. If Fairy-types are immune to Dragon Claw and such moves, they should be adapted to work similarly to the functions of other worlds. The same applies to every other world and how their laws work compared to others. That's the idea. We had an entire debate on how Pokemon are affected by Light and Dark magic for this very reason. You can't just walk in and say "Nope. This thing shouldn't happen because it gives a weakness to my s***." I'm not sure how you continue to fail to notice this, but your characters are NOT balanced with everyone else at all. You're simply refusing to change anything about your beloved children even when everyone else is willing to change their characters by hiding under the justification of "well, if THIS extremely specific scenario happens, then they're BOTTOM TIER!" You want nothing more than your characters to be the almighty god everyone likes to talk about.You know nothing about me, boy. So do not pretend you do. Even if I deleted all of their abilities save Dragon Form, people would still accuse them of being too OP. And trickery and cunning does not explain a spell with the fairy element dealing extra damage. The issue is moot. I'm done arguing. I simply won't participate. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 8, 2014 19:54:05 GMT -6
I'm saying that the Fairy > Dragon typing makes sense, especially with the fact that get magic is effective against dragons in folklore.
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Post by empireoffire on Sept 8, 2014 19:56:09 GMT -6
By that logic, Fire Blast is no more effective against a Treant than a Hydro Pump just because Pokemon laws can't intersect with non-Pokemon laws, BUT the opposite works just fine. The way you're going with it, you're just selectively choosing what works some way while a similar situation doesn't work because you say so. If Fairy-types are immune to Dragon Claw and such moves, they should be adapted to work similarly to the functions of other worlds. The same applies to every other world and how their laws work compared to others. That's the idea. We had an entire debate on how Pokemon are affected by Light and Dark magic for this very reason. You can't just walk in and say "Nope. This thing shouldn't happen because it gives a weakness to my s***." I'm not sure how you continue to fail to notice this, but your characters are NOT balanced with everyone else at all. You're simply refusing to change anything about your beloved children even when everyone else is willing to change their characters by hiding under the justification of "well, if THIS extremely specific scenario happens, then they're BOTTOM TIER!" You want nothing more than your characters to be the almighty god everyone likes to talk about.You know nothing about me, boy. So do not pretend you do. Even if I deleted all of their abilities save Dragon Form, people would still accuse them of being too OP. And trickery and cunning does not explain a spell with the fairy element dealing extra damage. The issue is moot. I'm done arguing. I simply won't participate. Perform some self-reflection and maybe, just maybe, I might have a point. It's like someone is telling you about a bad habit but you cover your ears singing while pushing the person away just because it hurts your self image or something. You can literally cause the apocalypse. It doesn't matter whether you can create reality marbles to stop the world from exploding, that bulls*** is not fair. You fail to realize we aren't talking about UB power levels here. We're talking averages.If you're going to keep throwing a whiny tantrum because something makes your characters a little bit weaker than you've envisioned, then good riddance. You're not needed here. |
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Post by GX1997 on Sept 8, 2014 20:17:21 GMT -6
Really people? Really?
I thought this whole thing would be fun. But I can't stand all the bickering. You all sound like squabbling children right about now, and it's ruining this for everyone. If we can't even stop whining for long enough to get past the planning stage, then I'm done. Just forget it, I'm out of here...
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Post by empireoffire on Sept 8, 2014 20:23:16 GMT -6
Really people? Really? I thought this whole thing would be fun. But I can't stand all the bickering. You all sound like squabbling children right about now, and it's ruining this for everyone. If we can't even stop whining for long enough to get past the planning stage, then I'm done. Just forget it, I'm out of here... ...It's literally just two people arguing. Don't you think it's a bit hasty to leave when it's just me losing patience and Neo disliking nerfs? |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 8, 2014 20:24:41 GMT -6
Well, it was me too  |
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Post by empireoffire on Sept 8, 2014 20:25:22 GMT -6
Well, it was me too You were just pointing out how Fairy > Dragon has actual basis in mythology. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 8, 2014 20:27:42 GMT -6
Also the comment about Oz being known for its incredibly vast cave network.
And maybe a few other ones.
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Post by empireoffire on Sept 8, 2014 20:29:17 GMT -6
Also the comment about Oz being known for its incredibly vast cave network. And maybe a few other ones. I don't consider pointing out flaws in someone's points in a sarcastic manner to be arguing, personally. Then again, I'm a sarcastic little ****, so I'm probably being biased. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 8, 2014 20:31:48 GMT -6
Yeah, you're that, so...
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Post by GX1997 on Sept 8, 2014 20:34:10 GMT -6
Really people? Really? I thought this whole thing would be fun. But I can't stand all the bickering. You all sound like squabbling children right about now, and it's ruining this for everyone. If we can't even stop whining for long enough to get past the planning stage, then I'm done. Just forget it, I'm out of here... ...It's literally just two people arguing. Don't you think it's a bit hasty to leave when it's just me losing patience and Neo disliking nerfs? No, I've already had to watch two arguments unfold, way too close together. This is dumb, and if we can't even get past this point, the actual crossover is definitely not going to work. And I'm so done with getting my hopes up for things, and then they don't happen because people argue over stupid things. I use writing as a way to vent and forget about those very things, not see them play out again and again. So, because we can't stop bickering, I'm done. It's just making me really, really irritated at this point. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Sept 8, 2014 20:35:19 GMT -6
I'm sorry.
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Post by empireoffire on Sept 8, 2014 20:37:10 GMT -6
...It's literally just two people arguing. Don't you think it's a bit hasty to leave when it's just me losing patience and Neo disliking nerfs? No, I've already had to watch two arguments unfold, way too close together. This is dumb, and if we can't even get past this point, the actual crossover is definitely not going to work. And I'm so done with getting my hopes up for things, and then they don't happen because people argue over stupid things. I use writing as a way to vent and forget about those very things, not see them play out again and again. So, because we can't stop bickering, I'm done. It's just making me really, really irritated at this point. Sorry you feel that way, then. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 20:47:11 GMT -6
Time for some Card characters....
Name: Luigi
RP/CYOA of origin: Mario and the Golden Goddess
Card Character?: Yes ~ Mario
Weapon: Gungnir (Ultimate Weapon) the spear of legend only the worthy can weild it. Which begs the question how did Luigi become worthy?
Notable Traits, Powers and Abilities:
As the teams 'Paladin' he is able to banish the undead, protect his friends, and weild holy, lighting, and wind magic.
-Gigagash Luigi combines all his might and channels a devastating amount of lighting to destroy his foes. Reverts to card form after use,
-Multi thrust; Luigi is able to weild his spear and strike multiple opponents at once
-Call of the Haunted (Ultimate Skill). Luigi and his faithful pup Poulter pup summon his ghostly friends to rain chaos upon his eneimes.
-Pavise; Luigi is able to reduce physical damage by half every other turn
Allies: Poulter Pup
Bio: Mario's younger and lesser known brother. He is kind of a coward and is definitely not known for his bravery. Yet when he gets a chance to join Mario he can't wait for the opportunity.
Tech level: Nintendo, Fantasy
Name: Peach "Prince Toadstool'
RP/CYOA of origin: Mario and the Golden Goddess
Card Character?: Yes~Mario
Weapon: Sacred tome of Naga (ultimate weapon)
Notable Traits, Powers and Abilities: As the teams cleric she is mainly about protecting her allies and healing them.
-Omni heal; Peach can heal her team to perfect health but she returns to card form after usage.
-Magic Barrier; Peach crafts a barrier to help reduce the damage taken by magical attacks.
-Holy FF; Peach unleashes a holy beam of light towards the opponent.
-Wall; Peach create a barrier to help protect against physical attacks for her team
Allies: None
Bio: The classic damasel in distress. Peach is constantly being kidnap for reasons that are unown. Yet, in a rare moment Bowser decided not to kidnap and all heck broke loose
Tech level: Nintendo, Fantasy
Name: Robin " Male made unit/ Female Made Unit"
RP/CYOA of origin: Mario and the Golden Goddess
Card Character?: Yes ~ Mario
Weapon: Ragnell (ultimate weapon). A legendary weapon that was blessed by a goddess of old
Notable Traits, Powers and Abilities:
-Thornton, extremely powerful thunder technique.
-Astra, allows Robin to attack up to five time w/ only a strength penalty.
-Rally Spectrum, Robin is able to raise the stats of himself and those around him
-Time to tip the Scale (Ultimate Skill), Robin breaks out the Excalibur and Thordian tomes and unleashes a devastating combo but Robin reverts to card form afterwards.
Allies: Flan, a talking Fletching. The younger sister of the goddess who tried to find Robin for help. Unfortunately, the journey through the outrealm gate took a major on her body and when found by Merlin he had to use ancient magic to turn her to a Fletching to survive. Her true identity is only known by Rosalina
Bio: The boyfriend of everyone's favorite goddess Anna. Well until ???? decided that he was interfering in ???? plans. So he was tricked to meet ???? by the out realm gates when ??? stabbed him right through the chest and tossed the body through the outrealm gate. He survived but his memory didn't and now he joins Mario in an attempt to recover his memory. Basically, Robin was chosen b/c he's the only male to S rank Anna.
Tech level: Medival Fantasy
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Post by Neo on Sept 8, 2014 20:51:03 GMT -6
You have absolutely no idea how difficult this is for me... But for GX, I'm willing to swallow my pride. I will let bygones be bygones, and admit to being wrong. I will repost my characters, with new tweaks, tomorrow.
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Post by Neo on Sept 8, 2014 22:45:53 GMT -6
So, I can't sleep, and since I can't sleep, I may as well repost my characters now.
I don't feel like reposting the whole thing, so I'm only going to post what's changed.
Ethan/Azrael
Weapons: Sword of Kings, Ragnell.
Traits, Powers, and Abilities:
Dark Shift: Allows him to change into his Dark Dragon form at will.
Expiration: The all-consuming breath of a Dark Dragon.
Dragonscales: In dragon form, he is more resistant to physical and magic attacks.
Manakete Resistance: He is immune to Fire damage.
Unchained Rage: Once per day, he can drastically increase his speed and strength during battle. Only usable in human form.
Eon
Traits, Powers, and Abilities:
*Apocalypse Shift: Allows her to transform into her Dark Omega form.
Expiration
Dragonscales
Manakete Resistance
Sound Shackles: Once per day, she can temporarily increase her speed enough to break the Sound Barrier. Only lasts for a short while. Only usable in human form.
*Don't freak out and stop being paranoid. This is the name of her mother's dragon form and related skill. She is only slightly more powerful than Ethan.
Rhia/Naga
Traits, Powers, and Abilities:
*Final Judgement: Naga is summoned from another time and place. She inflicts massive damage on her foes with a powerful energy beam.
*Naga is still a CC, but I've made her more like a FF Summon with limited uses. She can only be summoned once per battle, and only if certain conditions are met(To avoid abuse). While very damaging, her attack can be avoided, and it doesn't do any lasting damage to the environment, as she's a dragon of creation.
Well? Is that better?
Also, to avoid future problems of "Planet busting attacks being unfair", couldn't we implement a FF like Summon system? Like I've done with Naga.
That way, CCs with a certain amount of power(Like Naga and Serlen) can still be used, but only once per battle and in Summon form.
Oh, and Golurk, if you can find a reliable link for your fairy argument, I will concede the matter. I honestly don't remember the Fey being dragonslayers in any prominent mythology(Such as Celtic, Arthurian, etc), and as a mythological scholar and expert, I need tangible proof. I'm not trying to be rude, but on word alone, my experience and knowledge is far more credible than yours.
And I don't mean a link to the Brother Grimm tales, or similar new world Folklore.
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Post by HHDeception on Sept 8, 2014 23:03:29 GMT -6
Question. Would you have a problem with psychic being super effective against poison?
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