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Post by SummerCrow on Feb 9, 2017 8:35:22 GMT -6
I don't know why "creatures of magic" aren't also supernatural beings under that definition, but I found 2 references specifically saying dragons aren't considered supernatural beings.
They still have MDC armor, because it's a class feature.
They still have bio-regeneration, because it's a class feature.
They still do mega-damage, because it's a class feature.
They still can transform, because it's a class feature.
They still can learn magic, because it's a class feature.
They still tend to have psychic powers, because it's a class feature.
So I don't see why this label matters so much, other than "not being technically supernatural means Shira can't have her internal fluids violently sucked out by magic." They probably get their supernatural strength from BEING BADASS DRAGONS.
...I felt bad about earlier because me not knowing stuff caused an issue. So, since I was working an all-nighter anyway, I flipped through stuff I didn't know so well so it wouldn't happen again during my down time. Now this. Why this.
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Post by Neo on Feb 9, 2017 8:50:07 GMT -6
The label doesn't actually change anything. She still has everything a Supernatural Creature does, including full access to the Supernatural Damage table, the aura of a Supernatural Creature(Which is what makes normal animals afraid), and all the other perks. They are Supernatural Creatures in literally every sense of the word. Except for whatever reason they're not.
... To clarify, I'm not mad at you, Crow. And I'm not complaining about Shira being immune to some spells. What legitimately bothers me is WHY THE HELL ARE THE WRITERS SO DAMN STUPID. As far as I'm concerned, dragons are very obviously Supernatural Creatures, since, you know, they're NOT bloody natural, and they just so happen to be immune to a couple extremely rare spells that we'll almost certainly never see in the entire campaign.
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Post by SummerCrow on Feb 9, 2017 9:07:44 GMT -6
If I had to guess, I'd say dragons aren't considered true supernatural creatures despite meeting all the criteria specifically as a balancing tool to protect PCs from getting OHKO'd by Desiccate the Supernatural and/or some other spells like that. Maybe there's some other things, I don't know. I don't think the writers are stupid in this case, I assume it's just a case of balance superseding common sense.
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Post by Neo on Feb 9, 2017 9:16:04 GMT -6
Except Demons and Godlings are Supernatural Creatures, and that is undisputed. And we already have a Demon PC, and Godlings can be PCs as well. So, again, the writers are just being stupid. It's up to the GM to make sure spells like that are very rare, and that the players have a good chance to stop/resist them.
But whatever. It just really, really irks me.
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Post by Malefio on Feb 9, 2017 9:25:13 GMT -6
Didn't we decide Slimex wasn't supernatural cause that would make him too OP?
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Post by Neo on Feb 9, 2017 9:30:31 GMT -6
No. Slimex doesn't get Supernatural bonuses because you chose the Rifter OCC, not a demon based RCC. Supernatural bonuses are only gained through classes. However, while Slimex may be a relatively weak demon, he is still a demon, and thus is considered Supernatural.
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Post by SummerCrow on Feb 9, 2017 9:35:43 GMT -6
So we've got a homesick supernatural being without supernatural bonuses.
A not-supernatural being with supernatural bonuses and the emotional age of a toddler.
An (unsure how much of what I know about Amelia's backstory is supposed to be a secret) psychic space-samurai.
An illiterate, psionic but otherwise TOTALLY NORMAL borderline-war-criminal.
And suddenly the most normal member of our group is the guy whatever Don is that accosts small children in dark alleys in the name of literacy.
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Post by Neo on Feb 9, 2017 9:41:18 GMT -6
That made me laugh. Thanks, Crow.  Shira's emotional age is definitely that of a child, but not a toddler. More like 6-8. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Feb 9, 2017 9:51:25 GMT -6
Don's a guy.
He's human.
He's just really ugly. I might draw his face if I have the time, but I'm not very good at drawing faces. I usually do abstract stuff, but I used to draw fantasy weaponry and armors, though I've been out of practice for years.
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Post by SummerCrow on Feb 9, 2017 9:54:08 GMT -6
He's just really ugly. I might draw his face if I have the time, but I'm not very good at drawing faces. I usually do abstract stuff. These statements all fit together just fine in the name of drawing Don properly. |
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Post by Neo on Feb 9, 2017 11:56:05 GMT -6
So, I read the wording for those 2 spells. Apparently, dragons just aren't supernatural in the same way as Demons and Gods.
... So, in other words, the writers are stupid and you should ignore them and listen to me instead. "Creatures of Magic" are indeed Supernatural Creatures, they just aren't affected by those spells. Boom. Done. So simple. Oh my, look at me, I'm such a genius.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 12:40:08 GMT -6
So, I read the wording for those 2 spells. Apparently, dragons just aren't supernatural in the same way as Demons and Gods. ... So, in other words, the writers are stupid and you should ignore them and listen to me instead. "Creatures of Magic" are indeed Supernatural Creatures, they just aren't affected by those spells. Boom. Done. So simple. Oh my, look at me, I'm such a genius. Hugs the smart dragon |
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Post by SummerCrow on Feb 9, 2017 12:41:32 GMT -6
Yeah... Genius...
...Now I feel dumb...
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Post by Neo on Feb 9, 2017 17:49:37 GMT -6
That wasn't meant to be directed at you. I'm sorry, Crow. I was just really tired and annoyed. Sorry.
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Post by SummerCrow on Feb 9, 2017 20:57:59 GMT -6
Results of plotting with Mystic: This may have been as much of a mistake as giving Shira that gun... |
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Post by Neo on Feb 9, 2017 21:22:12 GMT -6
Now I want to know what you two were plotting.  |
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Post by SpringForest on Feb 9, 2017 21:23:51 GMT -6
Let's just say that Celica has a fun new minigame she gets to play.
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Post by Neo on Feb 9, 2017 21:41:07 GMT -6
Meanwhile, GX and I are plotting Shira X Amy shenanigans. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Feb 9, 2017 22:01:15 GMT -6
Shira's like a year old though.
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Post by GX1997 on Feb 9, 2017 22:05:44 GMT -6
Nothing is going to happen. We've both said as much. Amelia would be extremely uncomfortable with the advances of the kid she's trying to teach about life. But we did say Neo could make the rolls if he wants to, and we can see how awkward it'll get. |
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