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Post by Golurkcanfly on Oct 27, 2015 15:01:21 GMT -6
There's two pages of DARK Dragon Synchros on DN alone.
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Post by Neo on Oct 27, 2015 15:07:02 GMT -6
And should every deck have to have a Book of Moon to deal with Beelze? Only GX has any way to reliably actually deal with Beelze in the RP decks. Plus, Book of Moon is one card and is Limited, meaning it's a 1/40 chance, plus a monster destruction effect (which some decks also don't have, including Aromas for face-down monsters). CED is also limited. The RP decks should be just that, RP decks. Not ridiculous super decks that abuse high-tier cards that are very hard to deal with, since then everyone else has to try and keep up with that which limits creativity. And there have to be plenty of Synchros that fit. Beelze is a Dragon Synchro. There are like eighty of those. It's not like it's a Plant.-_- Something tells me my meaning went way over your head. With Azura's current deck, there are only a few Synchros I can reliably summon. All those "Dragons" can't be used in every single deck, and the ones with the most utility, are plot restricted. And I can't use level 8 Synchros with her deck anyway. I can use level 10 and level 6, and that's about it. With those restrictions, how about you go find a Synchro card that symbolizes her personality and character? Oh wait. You can't. Lurk, I think you're misunderstanding the situation a bit. Only one or two people will have to duel Azura's DS deck, and not for a while. As in, not for a long while. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Oct 27, 2015 15:18:40 GMT -6
I wasn't the one telling others that they "can just use Book of Moon".
Beelze is a single card that no one likes. I removed it from all of my decks just because GX didn't like it.
I honestly think that it's overpowered as well.
But time still isn't any remedy. Beelze now with our decks as they are will still be just as strong compared to those same decks a bit later.
Does Beelze really actually fit, or are you just telling yourself that for a power trip? In almost every single RP, your characters have to be the most powerful and you're utterly dismissive of anyone who says that they're too powerful in comparison to the other characters for any conflict to have tension.
It shouldn't be hard to find a replacement for Beelze. It's not like it's unique at all to be the only card that fits. It's just a demon dragon.
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Post by Neo on Oct 27, 2015 15:34:00 GMT -6
I wasn't the one telling others that they "can just use Book of Moon". Beelze is a single card that no one likes. I removed it from all of my decks just because GX didn't like it. I honestly think that it's overpowered as well. But time still isn't any remedy. Beelze now with our decks as they are will still be just as strong compared to those same decks a bit later. Does Beelze really actually fit, or are you just telling yourself that for a power trip? In almost every single RP, your characters have to be the most powerful and you're utterly dismissive of anyone who says that they're too powerful in comparison to the other characters for any conflict to have tension. It shouldn't be hard to find a replacement for Beelze. It's not like it's unique at all to be the only card that fits. It's just a demon dragon. Aaaaaaand there you go again, completely ignoring what I literally just said. Fine, whatever. Just drop it. Until/unless I can find a replacement, I'm using Beelzus. You ignore what I said, and then accuse me of taking a freaking power trip, like I don't know my character. Out of all the possible choices, Beelzus fits the most. .... This is why you really piss me off sometimes. You ignore me, then insult me based on assumptions which have absolutely no basis. I'll say it again: With Azura's DS deck, I can only reliably summon level 10 and 6 Synchros. That's it. Out of ALL the synchros, Beelzus is the only Lv 10 or 6 monster that even remotely fits DS!Azura, and isn't plot restricted. |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Oct 27, 2015 15:37:53 GMT -6
Are you sure?
My "power trip" accusations aren't baseless.
Who's the most powerful PC in Austur? Vincent. Varren is also ridiculously strong in Sithis. Orion is also hilariously overpowered. You even tried to defend literal planet busters in Oz when it was created.
You do it all the time.
It shouldn't really be that hard to find another Synchro who isn't absolutely broken.
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Post by empireoffire on Oct 27, 2015 15:43:40 GMT -6
Why is the mod more prone to picking fights with other people than I am?
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Post by GX1997 on Oct 27, 2015 15:45:50 GMT -6
And should every deck have to have a Book of Moon to deal with Beelze? Only GX has any way to reliably actually deal with Beelze in the RP decks. Plus, Book of Moon is one card and is Limited, meaning it's a 1/40 chance, plus a monster destruction effect (which some decks also don't have, including Aromas for face-down monsters). CED is also limited. The RP decks should be just that, RP decks. Not ridiculous super decks that abuse high-tier cards that are very hard to deal with, since then everyone else has to try and keep up with that which limits creativity. And there have to be plenty of Synchros that fit. Beelze is a Dragon Synchro. There are like eighty of those. It's not like it's a Plant.-_- Something tells me my meaning went way over your head. With Azura's current deck, there are only a few Synchros I can reliably summon. All those "Dragons" can't be used in every single deck, and the ones with the most utility, are plot restricted. And I can't use level 8 Synchros with her deck anyway. I can use level 10 and level 6, and that's about it. With those restrictions, how about you go find a Synchro card that symbolizes her personality and character? Oh wait. You can't. Lurk, I think you're misunderstanding the situation a bit. Only one or two people will have to duel Azura's DS deck, and not for a while. As in, not for a long while. Isn't Star Eater a level 10? |
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Oct 27, 2015 15:47:21 GMT -6
I didn't ignore you, Neo.
You were just being condescending just like whenever someone even dares to protest. You try to pin the blame on me instead of yourself or trying to fix the problem.
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Post by Neo on Oct 27, 2015 15:51:36 GMT -6
Star Eater is level 11. And Golurk, I'm finished talking to you.
And Emppy, I have absolutely no idea.
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Oct 27, 2015 16:00:31 GMT -6
I'm sorry for trying to preserve some semblance of balance.
I asked you not to use Beelzeus since GX hates it, I hate it, and it's ridiculously hard to get rid of. You tried to defend a point which everyone new was false (it being easily dealt with), blatantly lied (Book of Moon doesn't instantly get rid of it), and even said "she can get him out easily", which means that when anyone duels with her, they're practically guaranteed to face it.
Should everyone have to change their decks just to adjust for one single card that's well above the established level of power if they want to have any chance of winning?
A single card can easily be changed. I'm not asking you to rework the whole deck, and don't give me bull about "having to change the whole deck" to adjust for it since you just said you "changed it to Beelzeus". You can change it back.
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Post by Neo on Oct 27, 2015 16:01:12 GMT -6
1) I am not the one who is being a condescending ass right now.
2) I only chose Beelzus because I couldn't find another synchro.
3) Vincent actually isn't the strongest PC in Austur. Not by a long shot. And bringing up other RPs doesn't help your case. I know my own character, YOU don't.
4) I am tired of you CONSTANTLY insulting me and picking fights over stupid crap.
I am so close right now to stripping you of your mod status and demoting you, and YOU are perilously close to permanently ruining whatever friendship we have.
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Post by Neo on Oct 27, 2015 16:05:31 GMT -6
..... Okay. THAT'S IT. I did NOT blatantly lie. When a monster is flipped face down, It's EFFECTS ARE NEGATED. MEANING LITERALLY ANY NUMBER OF SPELL OR TRAP CARDS CAN DESTROY IT.
That's it. You just crossed the line. NO ONE CALLS ME A LIAR AND GETS AWAY WITH IT.
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 27, 2015 16:07:11 GMT -6
I feel like everyone's kind of all over Glurk without considering if he has much of a valid point. Which he does. Just because he's always picking fights. Which he is.
...Something about The Boy who Cried Wolf.
Anyway. I know my deck's only got, like, 2/40 cards that can deal with Beezle. I shouldn't have to build my deck around dealing with 1 card.
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Post by Neo on Oct 27, 2015 16:10:56 GMT -6
..... I give up. Fine. Ignore the fact that I said only one, or two people max, would EVER have to duel Azura's DS deck. I'll take the f****** card out. I don't give a damn anymore.
You f****** win Golurk. I sure hope it was f****** worth it.
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Oct 27, 2015 16:16:39 GMT -6
Neo, I never called you an ass. You were being very condescending, as you just repeatedly ignored what I said and used the "You could... wait no" line.
You said you "changed" it to Beelzeus. You already had a Synchro. Why can't you change back?
Who is the strongest PC in Austur, and no counting Eleventh Hour Superpowers.
I never called you any names. I said you were being condescending. I'm sorry for saying that you might have been power tripping.
I wasn't the one who picked this fight. I asked you to please not use it, and then I backed up my statements with evidence. I didn't get upset until you started sassing and being condescending.
I'm sorry for saying you lied. That was a misstep. However, you saying that a "Simple Book of Moon gets rid of him immediately" is inherently false. You need another card. A 1/40 chance plus another card that allows you to destroy a face-down monster isn't very likely.
EDIT: Ninja'd.
Do you want to know why I asked you to not use it? Were you paying attention?
GX hates the card. She quit when she saw me use it even though she had the means to get rid of it immediately already prepared with Tarotrei and Astromorrigan. I knew about Tarotrei being able to stun it forever and knew she had Astromorrigan to search for. That was Beelze, but Beelzeus is even worse.
I too think that the card is overpowered and can easily win a duel on its own while also being pretty easy to pull out. In addition, everyone else on the Verse who plays YGO agrees that the card is extremely strong, hard to get rid of, and plain just not fun to fight.
I was trying to avoid an argument by bringing it up early.
Aromas may not be fun to fight when it becomes one-sided due to lucky early game draws, but that takes a very specific combination and is wrecked by offense-oriented decks. Beelzeus is a single card that can be brought out fairly easily that does that on its own.
I never wanted to make you upset. I'm sorry for some of the things I said, that being harsh words that had no reason to be in my argument.
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Post by GX1997 on Oct 27, 2015 16:30:32 GMT -6
ATTENTION: READ ALL OF WHAT I HAVE TO SAY BEFORE THE RAGE OR INDIGNANT FEELING MAKES YOU MAD AT ME AND YOU STOP LISTENING
You're both acting like children right now, in that you each have your points but you have no idea how to handle a problem without your feelings getting hurt. I leave for, what, ten minutes max and it falls this much more apart? I cab't even mediate here, because there is no way to mediate, it's really just babysitting. Really guys, don't you get that the people your arguement is hurting most are the rest of us? You're okay with hurting your friends just to save your ego? Both of you should be ashamed that this happens so often. The fact that I'm saying half of these things should tell you just how sick of it I am. And it doesn't mean I like any of you less than I did before. But I'm sick and tired of this. You both have to learn how to disagree with someone without either it becoming personal or you taking it personally. Calm down, people. And no one go storming off. If one of you storms off after this or otherwise isolates themself, I'm resigning my admin position, because I may be friends with you all, but I will not be part of such madness among the moderation staff. Maybe then you guys will realize what you're doing whenever these things happen.
I want to again mention that I still consider you all my very close friends, no matter how stupid some of the things you do may be. But you guys have to do something here. More importantly, you need to be able to have the strength to face it, learn from it, admit your faults, and then fix it yourselves. I will step in if I have to. But if you're both as mature as you believe you are and as mature as I know you both are, you won't make me have to step in. So I'm putting my faith in you. And with all I've had going on in my life, faith is running a little low and spread thin, so you better know how much it means that I'm trusting you two to fix this. Don't make me regret it, please.
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Post by GX1997 on Oct 27, 2015 16:36:04 GMT -6
Oh, and my final word.
You're both better than this.
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Post by Neo on Oct 27, 2015 16:36:41 GMT -6
.... I'll stay and try to work this out.
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Post by Neo on Oct 27, 2015 16:50:16 GMT -6
.... I'm too upset and angry to think right now. I'm not storming off. But I need time to cool off so I can think. So I'll just say this: Golurk, I apologize for the things I said. But that's how I feel. I'm tired of being attacked by you. I'm tired of everything. I don't think you realize just how big of a nerve you hit, or how much you hurt me.
.... There are some things that simply cannot be taken back. I understand that. You need to too.
GX, I'm not abandoning you. But I NEED some time alone to think.
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Oct 27, 2015 17:01:38 GMT -6
I'm genuinely sorry for what I said.
About you "lying" and the "power-tripping" part. I really am.
If it seemed forced, it wasn't.
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