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Post by Neo on Aug 10, 2015 13:44:57 GMT -6
Sure. Beast Laguz are strong against horses, right? Oh. That's right. You've never played the Tellius saga, have you? Beast Laguz are weak to Fire Magic, Beastslayer weapons, and characters with the Beastslayer skill. Bird Laguz are weak to Bows and Wind Magic. Wyverns and Dragon Laguz are weak to Thunder Magic, Wyrmslayer weapons, and characters with the Wyrmslayer skill. Beorc Cavaliers are weak to Poleaxes, Rapiers, and Halberds. Beorc Armor Knights are weak to Hammers. Beorc Pegasus Knights are weak to Bows and Wind Magic. Someone correct me if I'm missing something, but I think that's it.
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Aug 10, 2015 13:52:20 GMT -6
The Cavalier weaknesses don't make any sense. Halberds and Poleaxes are chopping weapons, and a rapier couldn't withstand the force required to do any real damage. A standard spear or a pike make more sense anyways.
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Post by empireoffire on Aug 10, 2015 13:56:45 GMT -6
The Cavalier weaknesses don't make any sense. Halberds and Poleaxes are chopping weapons, and a rapier couldn't withstand the force required to do any real damage. A standard spear or a pike make more sense anyways. Too bad. That's how the games work. Although Poleaxes became standard weapons in RD that don't to extra damage against horses.
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Post by HHDeception on Aug 10, 2015 14:28:24 GMT -6
Hrm so...bows and wind magic have infinite effective range and don't have any penalties to accuracy aiming upwards or in harsh winds or bad weather? And a single arrow can seriously injure a roc-sized bird even though it's relatively the size of a toothpick?
Also, do tomes still work soaked through by water?
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Post by Neo on Aug 10, 2015 14:49:51 GMT -6
Hrm so...bows and wind magic have infinite effective range and don't have any penalties to accuracy aiming upwards or in harsh winds or bad weather? And a single arrow can seriously injure a roc-sized bird even though it's relatively the size of a toothpick? Also, do tomes still work soaked through by water? It really depends on the Archer/Mage and what kind of weapon they're using. For example, a normal, everyday Tier 1 Archer with a normal Iron Bow isn't going to be able to do a thing against a powerful Hawk Laguz. Even with effective bonuses. However, a tier 3 Marksman with an Arbalest(the most powerful Crossbow) can OHKO even a Royal Hawk Laguz. Assuming, of course, it hits. But that's rare. Crossbows have ludicrous power, but a very low chance to hit. But a tier 2 Sniper or a Marksman with a really good Bow, like a Silencer, Silver Bow, or even the legendary Double Bow? Yeah. That's gonna hurt like a b****. Same principle with Wind Magic. A regular Mage with a normal Wind Tome won't be able to do anything against, say, your Hawk General. But a powerful Tier 3 Archsage with the legendary Rexcalibur tome? It's gonna hurt. A lot. The Archer class tree as a whole don't have penalties in the games, but that can be changed for believability purposes. But it's still going to depend on the "tier system". I.E, a normal Archer would get penalties to Hit Rate shooting into the air, whereas Snipers and Marksmen wouldn't. To my knowledge, tomes working when wet was never addressed in the canon. So let's say they do, for balancing and convenience purposes.
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Post by SummerCrow on Aug 10, 2015 14:50:57 GMT -6
Hrm so...bows and wind magic have infinite effective range Range 2 for bows, range 1-2 for crossbows and magic, range 2-3 for longbows, range 2-10 for ballistae and siege magic. and don't have any penalties to accuracy aiming upwards No penalty for up, bonus for down. or in harsh winds or bad weather? Bad weather affects sight only, which would only affect ballistae and siege magic users. And a single arrow can seriously injure a roc-sized bird even though it's relatively the size of a toothpick? Yep. It's 3*(Attack-Defense), though, not 3*Attack-Defense, so it could also do no damage whatsoever. Also, do tomes still work soaked through by water? Probably, so long as they're still legible.
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Post by empireoffire on Aug 10, 2015 14:54:15 GMT -6
Pretty sure there were penalties for attacking someone on a cliff/foothold higher than you in RD, but for all I know, that's because the person on the higher elevation had something resembling cover.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 15:00:43 GMT -6
Using basic logic, HHD's character weakness also applies to my character, no?
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Post by SummerCrow on Aug 10, 2015 15:12:22 GMT -6
Pretty sure there were penalties for attacking someone on a cliff/foothold higher than you in RD, but for all I know, that's because the person on the higher elevation had something resembling cover. Penalty for the one attacking up, bonus for the one attacking down... Eh.
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Post by HHDeception on Aug 10, 2015 15:18:08 GMT -6
So if a high tier archer with a good bow has three seconds to take out a hawk diving him at 150 mph while staring directly into the overhead sun behind the hawk and being blown over by a gale of wind from the largest pair of wings on the planet, the odds are in the archer's favour?
Well I guess Smaug was killed by one arrow after all...
I need to switch to thinking in terms of game mechanics. Time to give everyone galeforce!
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Post by Golurkcanfly on Aug 10, 2015 15:19:51 GMT -6
Well, if the hawk is diving directly into the arrow, we all know how that's going to end.
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Post by Neo on Aug 10, 2015 15:20:55 GMT -6
Hit rates, HD. Hit rates. They actually have to hit the giant birdy.
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Post by Neo on Aug 10, 2015 15:23:36 GMT -6
Also, the "largest pair of wings on the planet" belong to Black Dragons. Black Dragons are far larger than Hawks, especially if said Dragon is full grown.
Ex- In terms of size, my Caderyn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than your Hawk General.
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Post by HHDeception on Aug 10, 2015 15:30:22 GMT -6
Also, the "largest pair of wings on the planet" belong to Black Dragons. Black Dragons are far larger than Hawks, especially if said Dragon is full grown. Ex- In terms of size, my Caderyn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than your Hawk General. I keep thinking those massive FE dragons are serpentine for some reason. Never got a good look at Grima. And I assumed the hawk general would be around the same size as the pics of dragon laguz on google images, and by that logic his wings would be bigger since more of a bird's body is wings.
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Post by Neo on Aug 10, 2015 15:38:03 GMT -6
Also, the "largest pair of wings on the planet" belong to Black Dragons. Black Dragons are far larger than Hawks, especially if said Dragon is full grown. Ex- In terms of size, my Caderyn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than your Hawk General. I keep thinking those massive FE dragons are serpentine for some reason. Never got a good look at Grima. And I assumed the hawk general would be around the same size as the pics of dragon laguz on google images, and by that logic his wings would be bigger since more of a bird's body is wings. Your Hawk General is probably about the size of Tibarn, maybe a bit larger, while full grown Black Dragons can be as large as Dheginsea. I'll try to find some decent images or videos for reference.
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Post by HHDeception on Aug 10, 2015 15:46:06 GMT -6
Well, he's "lift a horse in each talon" big for a reason. I was thinking about elephants and then thought "nah, that's too silly'. And yes I know hawks aren't supposed to be that big but he's a freak of nature, so be it.
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Post by SummerCrow on Aug 10, 2015 15:51:00 GMT -6
Scale! Each of the four generals and the king have 2000 troops under their direct command. Another 10,000 are under the command of lower-ranked people, indirectly commanded by the king.
Hartmann's main camp is 500 strong. He has several other camps of various strength scattered about, from as little as a dozen to as many as 200, for a grand total of 3000 troops. Many more people will join after the rebellion makes its mark.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 16:00:09 GMT -6
Scale! Each of the four generals and the king have 2000 troops under their direct command. Another 10,000 are under the command of lower-ranked people, indirectly commanded by the king. Hartmann's main camp is 500 strong. He has several other camps of various strength scattered about, from as little as a dozen to as many as 200, for a grand total of 3000 troops. Many more people will join after the rebellion makes its mark. Requesting sticky.
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Post by SummerCrow on Aug 10, 2015 16:05:30 GMT -6
Appended to the character database.
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Post by SummerCrow on Aug 10, 2015 16:58:41 GMT -6
If no one has anything left to do for the day, we'll fast-forward until morning so people can do travel. Uh... Unless any generals want to say something about Bastian's plan. Oh, and I thing Glurk wanted to do something. Dunno if that would be before or after a few hours of travel. For the sake of people doing things, can you reach Heronhome at like sunrise, or...?
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