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Post by empireoffire on Oct 19, 2016 19:13:53 GMT -6
So uh... I just read Corva's sheet. Perish Song seems a little uh... Broken? 1 minute singing = Insta death AoE that can only be stopped with earplugs and she can do this at will? I must be reading that wrong. She kills herself, tho. I'll remember to take a look at it either later or tomorrow. |
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 19, 2016 19:14:34 GMT -6
So uh... I just read Corva's sheet. Perish Song seems a little uh... Broken? 1 minute singing = Insta death AoE that can only be stopped with earplugs and she can do this at will? I must be reading that wrong. It would kill her, too. And unlike everyone else, she couldn't just wear earplugs. |
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Post by empireoffire on Oct 19, 2016 19:19:18 GMT -6
I cut it short because the rest is a post I'd actually have to think about, and I may decide to go to sleep soonish.
That's right, me sleeping early. Who woulda thought?
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 19, 2016 19:19:30 GMT -6
And for balance's sake, I'd say after a few seconds anyone who isn't completely inept at magic/psychic-ness would be able to sense more or less what's happening.
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Post by Neo on Oct 19, 2016 19:29:05 GMT -6
So how far is the range? Do people have to hear the entire song to get the full effect?
The song killing herself isn't that big of a counterbalance IMO, since Corva is a CC, which means June and June's other CCs still get to continue fighting.
... Oh God, does the song affect allies? Nobie may be immune to Insta Death attacks, but his wife and kids aren't, and if Perish Song affects allies, he'll kill Corva himself and forbade June from ever using her card again.
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 19, 2016 19:54:09 GMT -6
The average human can hear as low as 0db. Particularly sensitive can go down to about -10db. A loud singing voice is approximately - well, Corva's no trained singer. Call it 80db. But since I'm saying decent earplugs cancel it - and earplugs reduce noise by 20-35db, we'll say it's effective down to about 50db. A sound's intensity drops logarithmically 6db per doubling of distance. I looked up a chart and calculated a fit line of y(db) = -8.795ln(x(ft)) + 81.845, and that gives us an effective range of... a bit over 12m. Not accounting for walls and such. Someone with really good or bad hearing would be different, of course.90%.She doesn't know that.There's a reason Corva gave Micah earplugs. So that's 1 minute she has to survive, defenseless, against enemies within 12m who will quickly realize what she's doing. And then she dies either way. So... not particularly broken, no. |
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Post by Neo on Oct 19, 2016 20:15:04 GMT -6
1) Not completely defenseless, she'll have her Pokemon still
2) Corva will most likely never be fighting alone, because she's a CC, so enemies might not be able to reach her in 1 minute if they're 12 meters away. And if you mean 12 miles, that's much worse.
3) 1 minute is a very short amount of time
4) What's stopping Corva from using it again immediately after she's revived?
I still think a 12m Insta Death AoE is an absolutely terrible idea, but if Emppy approves it, then I'll make do.
Just be aware Crow, if Corva uses it around Vinny, the in-character thing for him to do would be to immediately forcibly stop her. And yes, he would realize immediately what she's using(Not a few seconds) and he would realize it would affect his allies.
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 19, 2016 20:26:18 GMT -6
1) Not completely defenseless, she'll have her Pokemon still Corva would never put her Pokemon in harm's way of that song. Miles is mi. 12m is 40ft. In Oz, full of people with guns and magic? And taking into account any barriers that protect her would equally reduce her effective range? Completely unreasonable to assume they'd have no way to get in range. Eh... Technically, nothing? Revival time would be her main limiter. So the answer would be "me thinking spamming exploits is boring as Hell." Circle of Death.Oh, yeah. Makes sense. Strong mages like Glinda or Nobie would notice way faster. And Nobi'd have no trouble. Dark's super-effective against Ghost, after all. ...I assume it's fair to consider Nobi's shadow magic would hit Pokemon like Dark-type in terms of offense? And that he'd be vulnerable to Fairy-type and Fighting-type attacks? And, if so, would light magic hit like Fairy-type...? Is Elia a potential trump card against all dragons? Oh, wait, she definitely is. Theorem confirmed. |
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Post by Neo on Oct 19, 2016 20:44:15 GMT -6
Did we ever decide if Pokemon vulnerabilities affect everyone? It's only when being attacked by Pokemon or attacking Pokemon right? If we had to give Vinnie a type, he would probably be Fairy/Dark because he's also part celestial. Elia would be Fairy/Dark too.
But yes, his Death Magic would be like uber powerful Dark Type attacks when attacking Pokemon.
Crow, I'd suggest making the time needed to use Perish Song be longer than 1 minute, and giving it a very long cooldown at least. Unless I'm misremembering, only two characters have Insta Death attacks: Irving and now Corva. Even Vinnie doesn't, and he's the flipping Lich King of Austur for crying out loud. Irving's attack is really slow moving, so it has to be aimed properly and used as an ambush attack or it could be easily dodged. I would suggest making the windup for Perish Song's full effect to be really long.
1 minute on the battlefield? This aint STARS, Birdy. 1 minute would go by extremely fast in the middle of combat. Cause, you know, it's one minute.
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 19, 2016 21:01:23 GMT -6
...You're thinking from a playing-to-win perspective again. Instead of an RP perspective. In what condition would Corva literlly kill herself? And remember that Corva's controller is the same one that just had a character try to drink what he knew was a potion of Molotov cocktail because that's exactly what the character would do.
And that same person is telling you you should be complaining about the other use instead. Or Destiny Bond.
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Post by Neo on Oct 19, 2016 21:10:17 GMT -6
You're right, that other use of Perish Song has me worried too. That definitely needs a cooldown. And it needs to be longer than 15 seconds. Otherwise, Corva can just spam that and suddenly she's invincible and all allies and enemies are passed out.
There has to be a better way to avoid the effects of Perish Song, other than "lol hope you randomly brought earplugs or can run really really fast".
And remember Crow, I control all of Ephesus and several major villains. I'll be writing like... 80-90% of all the battles in the RP.
Edit: Destiny Bond seems okay to me. It only lasts for 1 minute, and the effect decreases the further away you get from Corva, so you can just run away temporarily to avoid it.
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 19, 2016 21:13:34 GMT -6
And you're right, it ain't STARS. It's Oz. Here's a list of characters who could, no doubt in my mind, kill her in 1 minute at a range of 12m.
Catie, Sniper Rifle; Irving, Gun; Nobi, Dark Magic; Geraldine, Magnum; Esdeath, I don't even know what she can actually do; Mason, Stalagmite; Ethan, Dragon; Glinda, Warp Magic; Bowser... actually, yeah, Bowser's a powerful dark magic user. Bowser.
People who could probably do it... Ann, Sophie, June, Franklin, Lana, Mario, Baron.
People who would have a chance. Alice and Ignius.
And I'd also like to point out that's just one option. You could always find a way to drown it out, make a soundproof barrier, find some earplugs, or just, y'know, move away. Actually, I'm starting to convince myself this is a pretty useless ability...
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Post by HHDeception on Oct 19, 2016 21:15:18 GMT -6
It wouldn't be Oz without fighting over pointless character balance~
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 19, 2016 21:16:33 GMT -6
You're right, that other use of Perish Song has me worried too. That definitely needs a cooldown. And it needs to be longer than 15 seconds. Otherwise, Corva can just spam that and suddenly she's invincible and all allies and enemies are passed out. It has a cooldown. The cooldown is "however long it takes Corva to wake up after she leaves herself unconscious and very much not invincible." I would consider either extending it to 30s or, alternatively, lengthening the time between hearing the song and going unconscious. But I'd like to hear what other people think, too. And not just Emmpy. |
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 19, 2016 21:17:32 GMT -6
It wouldn't be Oz without fighting over pointless character balance~ I'm having fun. Legitimately. Then again, I'm weird. How often do I get to do logarithmic regression graphing? |
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Post by Neo on Oct 19, 2016 21:20:51 GMT -6
Is there actually a way to avoid losing consciousness after you hear the song? If it only takes her 15 seconds to sing, and it has a 12m AoE, then it would effect all of her allies a lot.
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Post by empireoffire on Oct 19, 2016 21:24:09 GMT -6
Is there actually a way to avoid losing consciousness after you hear the song? If it only takes her 15 seconds to sing, and it has a 12m AoE, then it would effect all of her allies a lot. Why do you keep bringing up situations that involve Corva going out of her way to maximize friendly fire oppotunities and inducing them liberally? |
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Post by SummerCrow on Oct 19, 2016 21:25:08 GMT -6
Well. Let's think about it in terms of the Pokemon move. It's cancelled by going into your ball. So anything that significantly alters your physical state, like converting to data, or, say a shadow, perhaps? Mmm... A forme shift won't stop it, so a laguz transformation wouldn't be enough. You'd have to alter the very state of your existence. Or ending the battle quickly. So it'd be fair to assume killing Corva during the waiting period would also work. As for effecting allies... Well, I assume it'd only work once before they start shutting her up. Why do you keep bringing up situations that involve Corva going out of her way to maximize friendly fire opportunities and inducing them liberally? Well, it is Corva. Who was willing to risk killing Micah to test him. For the sake of making sure Nova dies good. Convince her Ephesians or Abominations are just as bad... |
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Post by Neo on Oct 19, 2016 21:31:49 GMT -6
Is there actually a way to avoid losing consciousness after you hear the song? If it only takes her 15 seconds to sing, and it has a 12m AoE, then it would effect all of her allies a lot. Why do you keep bringing up situations that involve Corva going out of her way to maximize friendly fire oppotunities and inducing them liberally? Because it's Corva. |
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Post by empireoffire on Oct 19, 2016 21:35:02 GMT -6
Why do you keep bringing up situations that involve Corva going out of her way to maximize friendly fire opportunities and inducing them liberally? Well, it is Corva. Who was willing to risk killing Micah to test him. For the sake of making sure Nova dies good. Convince her Ephesians or Abominations are just as bad... But she presumably still has a concept of aiming her attacks and not going out of her way to kill the allies around her, because otherwise she wouldn't bother giving Micah earplugs. And pissing off the people you rely on for revivals by attacking them would probably be unanimously considered to be a bad idea. |
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